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Poles ?? What material do you use and why. Lastly SL, GS

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
Hey Guys/Girls

New racer here but an older skier (31) I use to race in high school and want to get back into it. Things are a little different
from the mid 90's. What are the pros and cons to the material being used i.e f200 , 80% carbon or alloys. I use carbon fibre on a couple race cars I have built and know the pros of weight though if cheap or the weave is wrong it can be very weak. If the weave is tight it is awesome for strength and weigth reduction! Anyways let me know your thoughts
Cheers
John
post #2 of 18
Alu/Carbon all the way with Leki. They swing like carbon poles, but have the durability and safety of aluminum. I have seen people with all carbon poles before that have just snapped in half/shattered from a hard impact, which can be pretty deadly. I have seen people who use aluminum poles that swing like elephants (very slowly). After trying both, I ended up getting Leki's Alu-Carbon poles, which swing like carbon, yet have the safety and strength that alu has (the poles will bend at the alu section before the carbon snaps). I have 3 sets that I use for SL/GS and free skiing... my SG/DH poles are aluminum due to costs (Leki makes a Alu-Carbon DH pole, but it retails for like $350... eff that).
post #3 of 18
Temple67. I also use Leki Poles but use the TTB model of SL Poles for SL and GS. Not as light as the Alu-Carbon but nearly indestructible with good smooth swing action. A little cheaper also.
post #4 of 18
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the info guys, what poles fit into the alu-carbon market. It is hard to tell from the listings on web sites??
post #5 of 18
I'm still old school.  I use aluminum Scott World Cup Team Issue.  They just feel right in my hands.
post #6 of 18
I use aluminum poles, 'cause that's what was at the yardsales.   I think it would be better though to have a carbon pole snap from hard impact than snap my wrist again.
post #7 of 18
scott world cup alum.  Still one of the most robust poles out there and if you look around you can pick up a few pairs for the price of the Lekis, although they are nice.  As RTTP says the danger from the pure carbon is shattering. 
post #8 of 18
Depends on the event.  For SL and GS, Swix carbon fiber (different poles for each event).  Alu is definitely fine, I just like all things carbon fiber (I have two carbon fiber road bikes).  I think the brand is important, and you're hearing some good ones in this thread.  I like Swix because they seem to have great balance and a low swing weight. 

For Super G and DH, I have a pair of Scott DH poles that are about a bazillion years old.  They work just fine, but the bend isn't perfect.  I'm going to look into getting a custom bend pole this year...

post #9 of 18
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Originally Posted by Temple67 View Post

Thanks for the info guys, what poles fit into the alu-carbon market. It is hard to tell from the listings on web sites??

Alu-Carbon is usually the high end of the market. I think Leki is the only manufacturer that makes them, there may be one or two others, but I can't think of the names. Right now, Leki only makes 3 Alu-Carbon poles, the Vision Venom Vario (Freeski/Race), the Vision Venom SL Race, and the Titanium Carbon DH. A few years back they had quite a few more to choose from, but some of them were impractical (ie, the Alu-Carbon GS pole). As you can see, I have everything Alu-Carbon aside from the DH poles, which are a tad out of my pricerange and relatively difficult to find stateside.

post #10 of 18
I really like my k2 six speeds. I've had the lekis and the k2's just feel better.
post #11 of 18
Thread Starter 
 I am going to look into getting a pair alu-carbons. Right now I picked up a pair of Exel Carbons WC's 135 for SL, I got them new for $60! As for gs poles I have a pair of Scott WC Alum. Looks like Scott is intoducing a Alu/Carbon pole this year for Sl and one for GS. Price range is high for a 50% carbon 150 msrp.
John
post #12 of 18
Thread Starter 
Rise to the top: that is a nice collection you have there!!  Is there much point to a super G/DH carbon pole as you would not need as much "swing"  discipline? I am just wondering if there is much benefit??
post #13 of 18
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scott world cup alum.  Still one of the most robust poles out there and if you look around you can pick up a few pairs for the price of the Lekis, although they are nice.  As RTTP says the danger from the pure carbon is shattering. 

Me too. It takes a lot of impact to snap them, and they bend less than most aluminum poles.
post #14 of 18
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Originally Posted by Temple67 View Post

Rise to the top: that is a nice collection you have there!!  Is there much point to a super G/DH carbon pole as you would not need as much "swing"  discipline? I am just wondering if there is much benefit??

To me, there is absolutely no point in having a Alu-Carbon SG/DH pole, aside from the prestige of having one. I never swing my poles in SG or DH. All that I use em for is the start and to find balance when I'm out of my tuck. I personally think that it would feel weird at the start as carbon "flexes" more than aluminum and bent poles tend to flex more than straight.
post #15 of 18
 Carbon is far from really fragile ;) I have Exel World cup poles which are 100% carbon, and they are far from fragile. They are done differently (with much thicker, and therefore heavier, walls) then xc poles, and it takes a whole lot to break it. So in my opinion there's not much of use of alu/carbon combo for ski poles. And if I remember right, Leki is pretty much only company doing this. Everyone else (Exel, Swix, Komperdell...) are using carbon (100% for racing poles) only.
If someone is scared that carbon doesn't last, just take a look at ice hockey sticks (probably much more then 90% of players use carbon sticks). With all the slashing, it still takes a while before stick breaks.
post #16 of 18
haha I wouldn't use composite hockey sticks as an example.

Me, I have raced quite a bit and I find that the Leki Aluminum poles are the best for me. The swing weight is just right. For speed I have swix carbon poles, again, just because they feel the right way.

Temple, I would try to hit a shop and just feel around with the poles, its the best way to end up with something you like.

I like a heavier pole myself and I use a straight pole for GS just because I like the snap I get out of the start better
post #17 of 18
Ahh.......the pole issues:

 I love the swix carcon, yet got tired of snapping them or shearing off the baskets.  For free skiing , they are the best.

 I went to the Leki WC SL last season & they were bomber.  I little on the heavy side, but well worth it ; not a single issue.

09/10 line up:
  SL: Leki/Leki sl guards
  GS/Free ski : excel carbons - new, beefier than swix, we'll see
  SG: Swix bendi's - too delicate for anythibg else
post #18 of 18

I've got carbon fiber & aluminum poles, and haven't noticed a major difference that would make me pick one over the other based on composition.

 

For GS poles, I have found differences in bend profiles that shifts my preference.  My favourite GS race pole happens to be a Scott aluminum model because it has such a nice bend (even though I don't like the Scott strap as much as the strap my other poles).

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