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6th toe area needs more than grinding...

post #1 of 7
Thread Starter 
Hi. I have Rossi B-Squad Composites (RL11, HP). I've got them just about where they need to be except in the 6th toe area. Bootdoctors has done my footbeds and some grinding and stretching, but at the end of last season it seemed that the 6th toe area got tight again.

My question is this...I assume they need punched or stretched. Why did I lose the stretch they had?  The slight lump I could feel on the outside of the boot is now gone, like the stretch shrunk back???

I really like the fit, best ever....but my 6th toe hurt for 3 months into the summer...don't wanna do that again.

How is that area generally dealt with?  How is the boot "stretched".

This is not something I will need to do every season is it?

I'm going to Bootdoctors next week (if anyones there to work on them).  Hoping to get a little more education from you guys so as to end up precisely where I need to be, thanks.

P.S. Both feet have been busted to smithereens and its wonderful to be this close to a perfect fit, been a long road for my feet.
post #2 of 7
a stretch will go back in time.  You heat the boot, stretch it out, leave it in that possition to cool.
the plus side is that it is changeable,   A grind is permenate,   For better or wrose.

sometimes a pain on the side of the foot can also be due to the footbed pushing up on the foot, so the side of the foot is too high and this can casue pain too.   Worth seeing if the boots feel about the same, in that area, with and without footbeds

does that help?
post #3 of 7
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the info mntlion, I'll go pull the footbeds and try them on.

When Bootdoctors last worked them over, they said if I need them stretched more I would have to leave them overnight.  I did not ask why, I now wonder if it has something to do with how they are stretched/cooled. 

I'll be back in a bit after I try them on without beds.

Thanks again.

P.S. Been to Banff many times, hope to get back soon.
post #4 of 7
Thread Starter 

No difference at all without footbeds.  Can you tell me what the best method is to gain the longest lasting stretch.  Maybe I ought not get my boots too warm while drying them after skiing. Any tips appreciated.
post #5 of 7

If the BootDr. told you that they want to keep them overnight It sounds like they did a quick stretch the first time and that is why it has come back. If you let them keep them overnight the stretch should last a lot longer.
With a stretched boot you should all ways try to keep them away from direct heat as it can cause the stretch to come back.
post #6 of 7

Polyurethane boot shells when heated through and through to the proper temp for stretching do not return to their orignal shape. Even when exposed to the sun, or a warm closet, the floor heater in your car, or kryptonite. If there was a stretch, and there is no longer any sign of the stretch, the boot was not heated all the way through to the necessary temp to get permanant shape change. ( Very common in ski shops that attempt to make a shell shape change with boiling water ) ( Water boils at 212 F. at sea level.  Temp needed for permanant shell shape change is much higher than 212 F. )

The amount of time the strectch is held on the press is not critical to what happened to the OP's boot. It simply was not heated long enough to make the change stick.

It only has to be heated to the correct temp and held until the boot temp returns to room temp inside and out. This can be accelerated with air, snow, or water, or left to cool naturally on it's own if time allows. the net result will be the same.

There is a variance in the temperature needed to punch different blends of boot plastics. Shops like the Boot Doctor, that do a lot of shell work, know which boots need which temp to get a good shell shape change.


post #7 of 7
Thread Starter 
Daleboot...thanks for the info, it does sound like they were doing a 'quick stretch' the first time, maybe a good idea if the stretch does not solve the problem. I'll go back and talk to them to be sure we are on the same page and leave them overnight. Would like to check out some Daleboots next time. Thanks.

Jim...Makes sense. I will be sure enough time and temperature are applied this time. I grew up skiing at Sugar Bowl, raced on their team for 1 season. Left that area a long time ago but will always fondly remember Truckee, Donner Pass, Squaw etc. What a great place to have a shop...  Keeping racers racing...cool.

Thanks to all 3 of you, I soon will have these things dialed in just about right....now, if anyone has any tips on keeping the water out...duct tape, silicone caulk, bootgloves...

After skiing I take them apart to dry them out and can pour a teaspoon to a tablespoon out of them. Somewhat ridiculous. My feet don't seem to get too wet, I guess its sloshing and splashing around under the zeppa. I'll go with caulk and tape unless someone has a better idea.
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