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tips for an intermediate teaching a newbie

post #1 of 12
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I consider myself solidly intermediate.
I make solid paralell turns- but not the beautiful, skis almost touching turns I see people doing.
Probably ski about 50% blacks- 2x blacks are still too much for me.
Thats my general ability.

This winter, I am having a friend come visit for two weeks. He has snowboarded twice- but never done any skiing. He cant afford to rent (needless to say he can't afford instruction), so he will have to ski, since I have an extra pair of skiis and boots that will fit him.

I will be teaching him to ski.
General order as I remember:
1st orientation on skis- walking around, not falling over, etc.
2nd snowplow w/o turns.
3rd turns
4th hockey stop
5th paralell turns

Im not sure how to adequatly expain such things as how to turn and how to make a snowplow- they are so intuitve that its very difficult to articulate.

Any tips for how to explain 1-5? Any additions to that? Changes?

If it helps- he plays hockey- so he can skate quite well. How can I relate the two skills?

One more thing...
He bought a A-Basin season pass because its actally cheaper than a 5 day pass. Its good for A-Basin, Vail, Beaver Creek, Breckenrige, and Keystone.
Of these- what is best for a first day begginer?

[ December 09, 2003, 10:31 PM: Message edited by: nealric ]
post #2 of 12
Originally posted by nealric:
If it helps- he plays hockey- so he can skate quite well. How can I relate the two skills?[/QB]
It helps!

The short answer is keep him skating. I saw something wild with a group of thirty ten year olds who came to Eldora for a learn to ski lesson.

The kids were asked who skated. Five raised their hands. They were challenged to race across our "beginner area" and they were off on a fast break. It was amazing.

Keep him on very easy terrain skating and skidded open parallel turns will evolve very fast. I have never known a hockey player who didn't learn skiing very very fast.
post #3 of 12
Skaters do well on skis as long as they don't try to cross over their feet in stepping around turns. So if you have your friend skate around corners he'll eventually manage to turn without the stepping activity. Remember, left ski moves left first, right ski gets involved second. Or the opposite to go right. Take the walking around in a circle on the flats to walking through a turn.

I wouldn't bother with trying to hockey stop. Save that for skates. Just turn. Knowing the wedge maneuver is OK for use in the lift lines and similar circumstances. But YOU shouldn't try to teach him wedge turns. Teach him to step through the turns and then gradually decrease the amount of "step" and start shuffling (sliding the skis back and forth a couple inches) through turns. Eventually just turn.
post #4 of 12
I agree with Rusty in that hockey players always seem to pick up skiing fairly quickly.

In my experience there are a few things that are important to explain to a hockey player...

- ice skates have small "blades" and ice is VERY hard... this requires you to put a lot of muscle into the "hockey stop"

- we use the exact same technique for stopping BUT... skis are much longer and snow is softer, so it doesn't require as much muscle

(hockey players often stop so "hard" that they fall over!!)

once your friend understands the "hockey stop" on skis... find out how to do "pivot slips" and do a whole bunch of those... linking pivot slips is just like linking turns

PLEASE don't teach him the wedge... please do teach him to snowplow as an emergency brake.

last note on skiing - be patient, don't fight the mountain/always seek the fall line and let gravity work with you. I have seen many "hockey players" who RUSH... they start off in a skate to do everything, they pick their feet up off the snow all the time. He will need to get used to keeping 2 feet in contact with the snow and letting his skis slide instead of FORCING the forward motion.

I hope this makes sense for you!
post #5 of 12
Since he plays hockey and tried snowboarding twice, he is probably not afraid of falling. But standing up with skis on is very different than with the board attached or with the skates on. Make sure you teach him that (before you take him to the easy blue - or even a challenging green - run).
post #6 of 12
I'm going to try a describe a progression called 1000 steps. I'll probably blow it!

Find a very, very gentle piece of terrain. Something your friend can skate down. Remember very gentle.

Now imagine spray painting a fish hook or "J" shaped line in the snow that starts by going downhill and turns and ends up headed slightly uphill.

Imagine this spray painted curved line being only twenty feet from one end to the other.

Have your friend skate along this line and have him take....say ten steps.

Next have him make smaller, quicker steps and have him make twenty steps in the same distance.

Next forty quick little skating steps along the twenty feet. The steps will be tiny, quick, and the skis will barely come an inch off the ground.

Keep speeding up the cadence, making more tiny little skating steps over the same area and he will eventually start sliding/skidding little turns.

I think I'll go buy a can of spray paint and stick it in my uniform jacket!
post #7 of 12
Ah, hockey players. My favorite ski lesson students. I especially like the way they "check" snowboarders who come too close.

(I know I'll be sorry for writing that. Couldn't help myself.)

Rusty - what color paint?

[ December 10, 2003, 07:36 PM: Message edited by: David7 ]
post #8 of 12
Bright Orange....I may actually try it!
post #9 of 12

Remember when you buy the paint to get the type that is enviromentally friendly!
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Rusty - [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]
post #11 of 12
Thread Starter 
oddly enough, the guys name is alex G- go figure :
post #12 of 12
Rusty - use jelly crystals or food dye in a spray bottle - then it won't matter if the kids eat it...
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