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post #1 of 25
Thread Starter 
Hey guys,
I'm doing this thread for a friend. He's about 6ft, 170 lbs, and a pretty advanced skier (not pro). We ski about 75% tree powder (3-7inches), 15% park, 5% open powder, and 5% everything else. I'm thinking of something in the 90-95mm waist range cause I love my Volkl Bridges for skiing that stuff. He can't really demo cause our hill doesn't have many demo days so we are just going to go down to the ski swap in the city. This is a one ski quiver so it NEEDS to be all mountain.

Any help greatly appreciated
post #2 of 25
I sold my Bridges last year in favor of the 4frnt MSP.  They are a little bit more damp than the Bridge and a little less hooky in uneven terrain (probably due to a bit less taper) but if you like one you will probably like the other.  I think the MSP is a way under rated ski; really, really a good all mountain choice.  The skis are different in graphic only for 2010 and are 96 underfoot in the 187 and 92 underfoot in the 181 (seems like 181 would be good for his weight.  There are still some deals out there on last years' but the problem for your friend is good luck finding a demo.  They are made in the Elan factory and seem to be good quality. If you decide you want to try fatter you should be able to find demos in the Gotama and the Line Prophet 100, also both good choices.  Hope that helps.
post #3 of 25
Scott Punishers or K2 PE/extreme.  Go with the Scotts to be different.  This has quickly become my favorite ski.
post #4 of 25
So many choices...the Scott Missions seem to be loved by everyone I've ever seen with them.  A true all mtn twin around 90 underfoot I believe.  I bought Afterburners for do everything all mtn use but they were quickly demoted.  My all mtn boards are now Gotamas which I absolutely love for everything but hard groomer days where the afterburner is better suited.  Can't say enough about the Goat - what a great ski for softer snow conditions.
post #5 of 25
Thread Starter 
Thanks a bunch
post #6 of 25
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Originally Posted by PaSucks View Post

Scott Punishers or K2 PE/extreme.  Go with the Scotts to be different.  This has quickly become my favorite ski.

Pasucks, how are the scotts on hardpack?  do you find the twin tail have any negative on piste?
post #7 of 25
icelantic pilgrim 127-90-118 tt, best all mountain board out there,  www.icelanticboards.com
post #8 of 25
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Originally Posted by SquawBrat View Post

I sold my Bridges last year in favor of the 4frnt MSP.  They are a little bit more damp than the Bridge and a little less hooky in uneven terrain (probably due to a bit less taper) but if you like one you will probably like the other.  I think the MSP is a way under rated ski; really, really a good all mountain choice.  The skis are different in graphic only for 2010 and are 96 underfoot in the 187 and 92 underfoot in the 181 (seems like 181 would be good for his weight.  There are still some deals out there on last years' but the problem for your friend is good luck finding a demo.  They are made in the Elan factory and seem to be good quality. If you decide you want to try fatter you should be able to find demos in the Gotama and the Line Prophet 100, also both good choices.  Hope that helps.

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Originally Posted by RMRC View Post

So many choices...the Scott Missions seem to be loved by everyone I've ever seen with them.  A true all mtn twin around 90 underfoot I believe.  I bought Afterburners for do everything all mtn use but they were quickly demoted.  My all mtn boards are now Gotamas which I absolutely love for everything but hard groomer days where the afterburner is better suited.  Can't say enough about the Goat - what a great ski for softer snow conditions.

I totally agree with SquawBrat and RMRC.  I think that the 4FRNT MSP is a fantastic ski, and while I haven't skied the Missions, I hear fantastic things.  I'm a huge fan of the "dual-radius" shape.  I've found that the big shovel helps you enter a turn quickly, but the straighter tail lets you feather the end of the turn into whatever shape you want, which is great for trees.  The MSP is solid, a little planky for my taste, but it holds on the firm and plows through everything.

If you want to go wider, I think the 2010 Volkl Gotamas and Katanas are great skis.  I'm not usually a huge fan of Volkl.  I thought that the old P50s were great but I haven't really loved anything since, until I skied some of the 2010 ELP skis.  ELP is Volkl's flavor of rocker, the ski is pretty much flat cambered in the center and slowly rises as you move toward the tips and the tails.  The end result?  A more maneuverable powder ski.

I've tried the Gotama and the Katana and I think that they are amazing.  What surprised me about both was how well they carved.  Sure, skis that are 106mm and 111mm under foot, respectively, take a while to get from edge to edge.  But because of the camber and the softer tips, both skis initiate a carve very easily and surprisingly quickly.  And once you get to the edges, they are solid.  My only caveat is that soft tips and tails means you need to stay centered.  Tail riders will not like these skis.  And I'm not sure how well softer tips and tails will do off booters (read landing), although it should make them pretty buttery.
post #9 of 25
Thread Starter 
Would a 178cm Armada El Ray be a good ski for him or is it too short?
post #10 of 25
Thread Starter 
Can someone answer the above question, please!!!!!
post #11 of 25
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Originally Posted by Downhillin99 View Post

Can someone answer the above question, please!!!!!

  K2 PE / Scott Punisher are good options. I would think that the kung fujas would also be a good choice.

A 178 is not long for an AM twin. But it might be long for park.
post #12 of 25
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Originally Posted by Downhillin99 View Post

Would a 178cm Armada El Ray be a good ski for him or is it too short?

You do not want to put him on this ski. For his ability level and terrain preference he would fall very short of what would work well for him.

IMO three skis that I would highly recommend you checking out would be the 2009 Dynastar Big Trouble(which you can still find some awesome deals on), the LINE Prophet 90/100 would also be a very good ski for his ability level and terrain preference and lastly the Nordica Enforcer would kill his ability to ski the park but would fit everywhere else very well.

Personally I would get him to check out the Big Trouble it is one of my favorite skis within that category. Keeping in mind that the terrain preference that you mentioned he often ops to ski, is exactly what this ski was built for.

Cheers,
S_C
post #13 of 25
Thread Starter 
What do you think of the Salomon Lord?
post #14 of 25
I'm not a fan of the Lord, it's very easy to ski, but that forgiveness means it lacks in stability, edgehold, crud busting, etc.  It feels like a more easy-going intermediate ski to me.  I'm going to echo sierra_canuck's recommendation of the Big Trouble.  That's also one of my favorite skis in this width range.  It's not what I ski (I have some watea 94's), but it's actually what I wish I'd bought instead of my watea's.
post #15 of 25
Thread Starter 
Last question: Salomon Lord or Armada El Ray according to his ability level weight etc.

thanks
post #16 of 25
Thread Starter 
He might be able to get a really goo deal on some Rossi Scratch Sprayer BC's in a 182. I can't find much on this ski so I'm asking you guys what you think. Would it be a good ski for what he skis?
post #17 of 25
Another ski to consider might be the Prophet 90...i just love the graphics on those skis
post #18 of 25
Thread Starter 
yea, I think those would be great skis. if only he could find a deal....
post #19 of 25
 FWIW, I have a pair of 176 Armada AR5's that I wish to unload.
Skied 3 days, drilled 1X. Classic "Steeze" graphic topsheet.
They're only about an 80mm in the waist, so not sure if that's too narrow or not.
These were one of the first billed "all-mountain twins" by Armada.
Just sayin'...
post #20 of 25
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Originally Posted by Downhillin99 View Post

yea, I think those would be great skis. if only he could find a deal....
 


  yeah just look around you might fine some last years models or something...i got a wicked good deal on my 2010 Prophets so you just have to keep your eyes open for sales. However they are less and less sales going on now as ski season is just around the corner!!
post #21 of 25
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by dookey67 View Post

 FWIW, I have a pair of 176 Armada AR5's that I wish to unload.
Skied 3 days, drilled 1X. Classic "Steeze" graphic topsheet.
They're only about an 80mm in the waist, so not sure if that's too narrow or not.
These were one of the first billed "all-mountain twins" by Armada.
Just sayin'...

yea they're too narrow
post #22 of 25
And besides, you're gonna be keeping those AR5's for teaching anyways, aren't you dookey.
post #23 of 25
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post

icelantic pilgrim 127-90-118 tt, best all mountain board out there,  www.icelanticboards.com

Finn,

pilgrim v nomad soft--the question is: How versatile is each ski.  Can the Nomad sft in a 169cm snake through east coast trees (assuming the skier on them can of course)-How soft or 'floaty' is the pilgrim in softer/ deeper snow? 

I have a dynastar 4x4 for firm days-would love to get a versatile icelantic twin to replace my ailing head 88's.

What length do you ski the pilgrims in? Does icelantic recommend running short with those like their other skis?

Liam
post #24 of 25
Liam, I don't know your height and weight but the nomad even in the 168 is 156-111-136. It has great float and you can tell by the dims, it has a fair amount of shape to it. Naturally, I love them and find they are quite nimble, quick and fun. I ski the 181 SFT (which is really 179.5) But I skied the 168 regular and really loved it in Steamboat trees. I found it was just a tab stiff for my preferences in stiffer snow and I found the SFT to be perfect. The Piglrim, with 90 underfoot is really a different ski and I love it as an all-mountain board. I ski that in a 179. They has a softer tip but retain excellent torsional stiffness so it's a great carver-groomer ski as well a very nice in broken and bumps. Its a preference thing, I could ski the Nomad as an everyday but the Pilgrim is a little more fun and versitile as all mountain, groomed, broken bumped emphasis. You would have more fun overall with it in those conditions. Hope that helps.  Let me know your height and weight.

Maybe Annelise will chime in since she's the true authority.
post #25 of 25

Hi, 

I'm looking for all mountain twin tips too. I'm 6'2" and about 75kg, and finally wanting to buy my first skis now I've stopped growing and its more cost effective than renting! 

I'd say my needs are: 

Piste 55% 
Powder 35% 
Park 10% 

So I'm looking for a ski that will hold an edge well and is capable of turning in a nice tight radius; is stable at high speeds; has a wide enough waist to float in the powder and is flexible enough for a bit of fun in the park, but not lacking stiffness to still rip the groomers. I'm a pretty aggressive skiier too, at an advanced level wanting to progress to expert! 

So far, my pretty extensive research as given the following skis as the best bets (my budget is 500 including bindings) 

Line Prophet 90/Prophet Flite 
Salamon Lord (despite being only a semi twin tip) 
Line Chronic Cryptonite 
Scott Punishers 

I also looked at the K2 Kung Fujas but though at over 100mm waist they're bound to lose edge grip on the groomers? 

Any advice, opinions, previous experience and recommendations would be much appreciated! 

Thanks, 
Sam

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