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Eliminator tongue inserts fit and flex issues

post #1 of 8
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I have feet that are very hard to fit and keep stationary in the boot.  Wide at the ball, low at the arch, skinny around the ankles, and bones protruding – all producing a situation where it is difficult to keep my feet from sliding forward (and then back) and easy to develop multiple pressure points.    I have been through several different types of boots, used many fitters, and am currently in Solomon, which were the best starting out for my feet.  I put in Eliminator tongue inserts last year (wow what a difference) and have distributed the pressure off all my pressure points except one.  On one foot the Eliminator is causing pressure where my ankle goes into my foot – top of the foot, front of the angle.  I can move the Eliminator up since it is thinner at the bottom and thicker at the top, but not sure I want to do that since except for that one spot it is working well where it is.  Should I try distributing the pressure or reduce volume?  I haven’t glued the Eliminator in yet so there are potentially four places to reduce volume, if that is the right approach – either side of the liner tongue or either side of the Eliminator.


Another issue is that before Eliminator I could easily flex the boot.  Now it seems I can’t do it nearly as much.  Do you think it is the less leverage because the Eliminator holds my lower leg firmly in place?  Or do boots get stiffer with age?


Finally, I was wondering if the new Solomon boots that are heated to mold to your foot expand to provide more volume where necessary as well as compress to remove pressure points.

post #2 of 8
try moving the eliminator around and see if other possitions are better/worse.   find the best spot, and then cut away a bit of the foam if needed.

Flex:   should be about the same, but if the extra tongue is making the boot stiffer while skiing (not just in the store) then get your boots softened.

salomon:  the custom shell will do nothing that a good bootfitter can't do anyways.  if you have a  boot that is close, keep working on it, and with your boot fitter
post #3 of 8
 Good advice above.

The snugger fit of the Eliminator  tongue  insert will eliminate that unwanted shuffle  back and forth you eluded  too  above and cause  you to actually make  the boot flex.  If  your fore/aft  parameters  are  out  of  wack  you will  find  the boot  more  difficult to flex  and  remain in balance  while skiing.  Asessing your ramp  angle,  forward lean angle, and delta angle and  changing them to better  suit  your particular  needs  will solve  this problem.  You might experiment with a small heel lift 1/4" inside the boot to  see if  this  helps?
post #4 of 8
SteveE

One question,

      When your foot could move before you added the "Eliminator" did you bang your toes when your foot moved fore/aft in the boot?
post #5 of 8
if the shell is good for length and overall shape then the volume is the only issue, it may be adding an aftermarket liner will help, zip fit is great at sucking up volume if you select the correct model, and you can inject more cork into the tongue and ankle regions if you need it tighter, if you are skiing loads and looking got a performance fit PU foam may also be an option athough i prefer the zip fit for most people with this type of problem
post #6 of 8
Thread Starter 
"If  your fore/aft  parameters  are  out  of  wack  you will  find  the boot  more  difficult to flex  and  remain in balance  while skiing.  Asessing your ramp  angle,  forward lean angle, and delta angle and  changing them to better  suit  your particular  needs  will solve  this problem.  You might experiment with a small heel lift 1/4" inside the boot to  see if  this  helps?"

This seems to make sense to me.  With slop around the top of the boot before and me leaning on my boot tongues I had more angle and forward lean of my shin than with my lower leg squished into a more upright position with the Eliminator.  I will get some shims and try it.

"When your foot could move before you added the "Eliminator" did you bang your toes when your foot moved fore/aft in the boot?"

Yes.  I would prevent it by leaning forward.  The low profile of my feet and insufficient volume around my ankles provided nothing to stop it.  Clamping down on the buckles across the top of the foot are unable to prevent forward movement and maybe even narrow the boot causing a pressure point behind my small toe.  Until Eliminator I couldn't get the upper part of the boot around the ankle tight either.

I didn't know you could get boots softened or new liners.  I will try some of the other suggestions first.  And I don't want to be messing with boots too much while taking the clinic this year.
post #7 of 8
Hi SteveE,

     Try to get the fore/aft balance issues resolved before the clinic as this will influence everything about turn initiation, effort involved and  fatigue.  I asked about the toes to find out if your boots might have been to big---sounds like they are the right length.
 
     The eliminator is thickest at the top and will push your calf back.  A bootfitter could modify your liner to snug up the ankle and instep area and eliminate the need for the eliminator---by the way do you have large calves?
post #8 of 8
Thread Starter 
Miketsc - how do you know the right fore aft balance position?  I do not have large calves.  Thanks.
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