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Volkls: Too much upgrade?

post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
Greetings all. First time post, after extensive searching.

Here's my situation: After not skiing for 10 years, I recently moved to Vermont. I've skied the last two seasons here in typical VT conditions (mainly at Sugarbush.) I've been leasing my equipment and I have tried a variety of entry-level skis, but feel I need to graduate a bit. The only ski I've been on that I liked the feel of was the entry-level Volkl AC. I'll be buying gear this year, and I'm looking at the AC3motions, and the AC20s. I'd say I'm level 6. I don't always bomb down the hill, but occasionally I like to build up some speed. My turning isn't scalpel-like, nor do I need the width of the whole trail. I don't plan on going into trees, but I want to get better, faster, and more technically sound. I live close to Stowe and will be skiing a lot this year. I'm 5'9", 165 lbs, and a Libra.

So my question is: Are the AC20s too much of a jump from the plain ACs? On that note, would the 3Motions be a ski that I'd quickly outgrow? Is there a similar but better option I should look into?

Thanks for any input.
post #2 of 23
AC3 or Ac30 would be ok.
post #3 of 23
Agree with Ghost, look at the AC30 especially if you are going to ski very much.  You won't outgrow the ski and is a good quiver builder if you choose to in the future.
post #4 of 23
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Originally Posted by VTWilly View Post

...... I live close to Stowe and will be skiing a lot this year. I'm 5'9", 165 lbs, and a Libra.

........ Thanks for any input.
 

If you were a Capricorn, I say  get a goat, but as a Libran you just need something well balanced.
post #5 of 23
Thread Starter 
I just read something about the AC30 that has me a bit concerned. Something to the effect of it being a ski that will punish a less-than-perfect technique, especially if you lean back on them. I'm all for growing into a ski, but I don't want to get pitched all over the mountain because my technical skills tend to come and go sometimes, not to mention the early season rust that will inevitably be there.

Should I be concerned? Or just shut up buy the damn skis?
post #6 of 23
VT Willy, I was in the same boat as you about 2 weeks ago. I was looking at the volkl ac30 and wanted to buy them but was worried about my technique. Here's what I found out. If you are going to stay on the groomers the ac30 can't be beat for edge grip / no speed limit as far as an intermediate ski heading into expert. However, if you do tree skiing it may be too much ski for you to make the quick movements and move you need to make skiing in Vermonts tight trees. There is another ski you should look into if you want a you can just hang out and spin around the mt on, take it into the tree's or get good carves going . That ski is the Salomon Xwing Tornado. It's praised as being easy to ski, quick and very good in east tree's. I found both the ac30 and the tornado online with a binding for under 400 but they were from a demo program. I just moved into my own apartment so I'm struggling with rent / text books for school...leaving me time to consider what will work best for me. I think the tornado is my pick...I like the idea of being able to ski with my girl and relax without having to think about my technique so much or having to put some energy into the skis to be rocketed away from her ! I'm a much bigger guy then you at 5'11 230lb...i'd be fine on the volkl because i'm large enough to drive them with my weight, but i'd suggest the tornado's for you.
post #7 of 23
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the tip. I'll look into them. And for what it's worth, the only time I go into the trees is when I'm snowboarding out west. The tight trees out here just aren't for me!
post #8 of 23
 I like Volkls about 100% more than Salomons.  Just my opinion.  Get the Volkl.
post #9 of 23
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Originally Posted by tetonpwdrjunkie View Post

 I like Volkls about 100% more than Salomons.  Just my opinion.  Get the Volkl.

I can't stand either of them -- get the Dynastar Contacts! 

But if you like the Volkl "feel", a LOT of people like the AC30.
post #10 of 23
Don't read all that shit.  Read the information on binding position posted in the Wikis and other places.  Skip past the AC20 and go for the 30 or look at 100 other higher performance skis.  But the jump to the AC20 is not a jump worth taking.

Lou
post #11 of 23
I am a bit heavier than you but about the same level - maybe a bit more towards level 7. I have a pair of AC20's and found them a good match to my skiing style. I had to try the AC30 last year to see if I made the right choice and found them diffcult. It was clear they had more edge and were more about performance than I was up to - had to think and concentrate every second.

While I had to try a 177cm in the AC30 and was used to skiing on the 170cm AC20 there was enough of a noticable difference for me to conclude I was better of with the AC20. I don't think someone like yourself as described would have a problem with the AC20 over the AC Motion.
post #12 of 23
If you have trouble skiing an AC30, you need a lesson.  Come on guys we are talking about an all-condition recreational ski here, not a racing ski.
post #13 of 23
 The AC30 does have a slighter smaller "sweetspot" than say a K2 Recon but it is still a fairly compliant ski. I agree with Lou, there is a bigger difference between the 20 and the 30 than there is between the Motion and the 20.  If you check out Special Deals for Epic Members I have some 08-09's left for a good price.
post #14 of 23
Thread Starter 
I really appreciate all the feedback. I found a pair of 08/09 AC30s locally for a great price and went ahead picked them up. If I can't ski them, I will pay for a lesson. If I don't like them, oh well. On to the next pair...
post #15 of 23
VT Willy,
     where'd you get the volkls? I'm from albany and the pair i was looking at already sold
post #16 of 23
Thread Starter 
PM sent
post #17 of 23
I'm a L6/7 and tried the AC30 a couple of seasons ago (in the spring). That ski will be fine for you but beware that you must not get lazy on them. Also, I found the AC30s being too easy to get going and having too little feel to be fun (but it's fast). If you want something less demanding that handles just as well, the Tigersharks might have been another good choice.
post #18 of 23
It seems you've found your ski.  One last time, read all the information on this site on binding position and you'll love the ski.  Ignore it and you may find it too much ski to handle.

Lou
post #19 of 23
Thread Starter 
Thanks again for all the knowledge.

Lou, I've read your Wiki post and several threads about binding position. Campbell Balancers, ball of foot calculations, etc. Very interesting stuff, but 99% of it flies right over my head.

I'm going to get fitted for boots this weekend. I have my skis and the bindings need to be attached (by the shop). What questions should I be asking the shop in terms of binding location? For what it's worth, my biggest bad habit on the slopes is slipping into the backseat of my skis. It's something I'm constantly aware of and trying to improve. (Even though one of my ski buddies says it's not such a bad habit, mainly because he's skied that way all his life.)
post #20 of 23
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Originally Posted by VTWilly View Post

For what it's worth, my biggest bad habit on the slopes is slipping into the backseat of my skis. It's something I'm constantly aware of and trying to improve. (Even though one of my ski buddies says it's not such a bad habit, mainly because he's skied that way all his life.)
 
I do that too. BUT, don't believe your bud unless you don't want to get better and not be in control. Beside bad form, it's really inefficient and can get you in trouble in some higher speed situations. To me, the AC30 (or many decent carvers) will not tolerate that "not so bad" habit too well.
post #21 of 23
Thread Starter 
That's one of the reasons I selected this ski. I'm not a glutton for punishment, but I do want a ski that will keep me honest. The skis I leased last year seemed to reward me for backseat driving. It kinda drove me nuts.
post #22 of 23
Don't know what to say.  The research article may be a little difficult but the information about BOF/CRS is pretty basic.  I'd reread those sections.  And as far as the shop goes I wouldn't ask them anything I'd tell them where you want the bindings mounted.  Since you can't get Campbell balanced I'd go with BOF/CRS.

Lou
post #23 of 23
I have the 2009 AC30 170 (5'9", 171 lbs) and I love the ski.  The thought that the ski is punishing is rubbish.  Yes it is a stiff ski, but it provides a solid platform that handles most conditions like a champ.  They are really suited for the frontside groomers, hardpack, and the steeps with ice.  Amazing edge grip and get them on edge and they will carve anything you can throw at them.  Yes - if you have crappy form and ride the tails, you will get beat senseless....just like any other ski.  So for those that think that they are punishing, take some lessons and you will be much happier.
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