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post #1 of 13
9/5/09 at 5:43pm
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Just picked up a new pair of skis for my daughter. She wears a 25.5 junior boot. We've been told with the larger size junior boots you can safely use an adult binding because the toe and heel piece dimensions are the same as an adult boot.She weighs 105 pounds and i'm sure will be out of junior boots the season after this one. Basically my question is, should we go with a junior binding or is it safe to put her on an adult binding because of her boot size/weight?

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post #2 of 13
9/7/09 at 6:23am
The answer has nothing to do with interior size (which is the 25.5 you mentioned) and everything to do with whether the boot sole follows the adult or junior DIN norm.  It should say so in the boot manual, and probably on the boot itself.
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post #3 of 13
9/7/09 at 7:35am
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Originally Posted by gtop View Post

.......................is it safe to put her on an adult binding because of her boot size/weight?


Yes.

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post #4 of 13
9/7/09 at 7:41am
A 25.5 is definitely an adult boot toe/ heel lug.

How big is your daughter? A 25.5 is appropriate for a woman with a size 9 or larger foot.

I don't mean to be a bummer, but asking about jr bindings vs adult leads me to suspect a 'not too big' child... make sure the boots fit. A loose boot fit will prevent a binding from releasing properly, the foot moving inside the boot will dampen shock to the binding and may prevent the binding from releasing in some situations.
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post #5 of 13
9/7/09 at 5:20pm
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She's 5-2 105 and 13 years old. Her foot stopped growing last year. She's in a high performance junior boot. I'm sure this will probably be her last season in a junior boot. I asked because I dont want to buy a junior binding this year, than have her in adult boots next year and have to buy new binding. And no, we do not buy gear a little big to grow into. I believe in proper fit even if it meand buying gear every season 

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post #6 of 13
9/7/09 at 5:37pm
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At what size does a junior boot have adult size heel/toe lugs?
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post #7 of 13
9/7/09 at 8:23pm
You mind telling what flex these "high performance" jr boots have? What boots are they? How aggressive is she? 105 lbs and 5'2" may be too light to handle a stiff boot effectively.

Also, as others have suggested, a boot too large will have negative impact on her skiing. Were her boots sized by a boot fitter or was it based on her feedback?

FWIW, several higher quality jr boots come in sizes 26.5 and up. Why not save a few bucks while you still can?
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post #8 of 13
9/7/09 at 9:39pm
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At what size does a junior boot have adult size heel/toe lugs?

Usually around 22 or 23 depending on the brand/model. First Lange Comp Team 60 is 23.0/23.5, First Head RS60/Mojo55 is 22.0/22.5.
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post #9 of 13
9/8/09 at 2:36pm
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Originally Posted by chanwmr View Post

You mind telling what flex these "high performance" jr boots have? What boots are they? How aggressive is she? 105 lbs and 5'2" may be too light to handle a stiff boot effectively.

Also, as others have suggested, a boot too large will have negative impact on her skiing. Were her boots sized by a boot fitter or was it based on her feedback?

FWIW, several higher quality jr boots come in sizes 26.5 and up. Why not save a few bucks while you still can?
 

 She handles the boots just fine. The girl can ski! She had over 50 days on the snow last season.
 Thanks for being so concerned but my question was about bindings not boots. 

 

To everyone else that answered my question, thanks for the replies!

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post #10 of 13
9/8/09 at 5:41pm
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 She handles the boots just fine. The girl can ski! She had over 50 days on the snow last season.
 Thanks for being so concerned but my question was about bindings not boots.
You avoided the question about her boot fit/flex then (www.epicski.com/forum/thread/74314/13-y-o-on-womens-skis) and you're still avoiding the question now. Of course, boots matter. FYI, it's not the first time on these forums that a thread is diverted to make emphasis on boots. IMHO, boot flex is the utmost important thing for a jr.

No one is accusing her being a bad skier. Why so defensive? You're the one who catagorized her as an intermediate (which is not bad by a long stretch). No one else did. She could very well be a stronger skier now (and the extra weight helps), but how would anyone supposed to know that?
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post #11 of 13
9/8/09 at 9:39pm
Look at Whiteroom's and other replies again.  They are right on the money.  All boots 25 mondo are adult not junior if we are talking about the DIN of the sole.  And I think that is what you are asking about.  I will also say it is unlikely she is correctly sized.  And although I don't have a chart in front of me I think that a 105 lb anybody in a 25 boot can probably not very safely ski a typical adult binding if you are talking about a binding with a DIN of 4 as a minimum.  Your question cannot be answered correctly when you ask if she can ski adult DIN binding.  The boot fits adult DIN binding but that doesn't mean the minimum DIN setting is safe for her to ski.

Again I'll also say I'll be surprised if she is a 25.  Have you determined her size with a shell fit?

Lou
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post #12 of 13
9/8/09 at 10:23pm
Lou et al:  For the record, my daughter was a 24.5 shell fit last year, at age 11 and 93 pounds.  (I'm afraid she was cursed with my genes -- at age 14, I was my current 28.5 and weighed 125.)  Fortunately, she was skiing tele, so we didn't have the DIN conundrum caused by the inverse relationship between BSL and DIN.  But its certainly possible that he's got the right size boots for her, even if they should be junior rather than adult flex.

In any event, back to the original question:  Binding options. 

Look/Rossi/Dynastar/Roxy makes a 2.5-7 DIN variant of the Nova/NX/Axium binding.  The Rossi variant is on sale at REI right now for $45; Level Nine has the Roxy version for $49.  I have this binding installed on three different pairs of my kids' skis, with a fourth pair waiting to be mounted.

The Tyrolia/Head SL70 AC or SL 75 or Mojo 7 or 7.5 is another good choice, with a 2-7 or 2-7.5 DIN range.  Level Nine has all of them in the $49-59 range.  I've got a pair of SR 70s (the demo track version) waiting to be mounted too, but my usual shop doesn't have the correct jig to drill them, so if you're interested, I could pass them on for the $25 I've got in them.
Edited by TheDad - 9/9/09 at 12:10am
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post #13 of 13
9/8/09 at 10:32pm
Gotta agree with everything Whiteroom and Lou are saying. But if you -are- sticking with those boots then there are plenty of Adult DIN -norm bindings that you could use. Marker (M7.0 EPS, M7.0 Free etc.) , Look/Dynastar/Rossi (Team Nova 7 etc.) and Head/Tyrolia (Mojo 7.5, RFL 7.5, SL75 etc) all have DIN 2-7 bindings aimed at younger/lighter skiers but using the Adult DIN-norm. And that's not counting DIN 3-10 bindings that could be okay at the lowest end of the scale.
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