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Edgie Wedgie

post #1 of 19
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I used my friends wedgie on my 3yr old sons skis today, he got on really well with it because it wasnt a rubber one, it was metal and screwed on and it held the skis apart as well as keeping the tips together.
I want to buy one, but the only ones I can find on the internet are just the rubber or strape wedgies or bars.
Does anyone know where I can get a metal wedgie that holds the skis in a snowplough??
 
post #2 of 19
My advice? Don't buy one. They're a total waste of money, especially for a parent just teaching one child how to ski. I've taught thousands of 4 and 5 year olds to ski, and never once have I put an edgie wedgie on a student's skis. I may spend the first hour of the lesson holding their ski tips together, but that's about it. After that, they get enough of an idea to start doing it on their own. Beyond that, they just become reliant upon the equipment.

As a rule, almost all of the 'teaching aides' you see sold for skiing are essentially useless, and can often cause more harm than good (leashes come to mind).
post #3 of 19
 Some people would prefer to "waste" ten dollars on a simple device rather than spend even just one hour skiing backwards bent over holding the ski tips of a small child together.

Vickie, I'm afraid to open the spoiler because I'm planning to watch the replay and don't want to know the result before then. If no one else answers, I think I can hunt down a source for a plastic version that can be uncoupled into two pieces, each of which stays attached to one of the skis, a nice feature for riding lifts and for allowing the child to try to control the skis unaided. 

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post #4 of 19
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post

 Some people would prefer to "waste" ten dollars on a simple device rather than spend even just one hour skiing backwards bent over holding the ski tips of a small child together.
 
Actually, I paid an instructor a large sum to attach one to my kid's skis while I skied with Bears at BK.  FWIW, I spent 2 hours skiing backwards holding the tips one afternoon in 07-08.  Add 4 hours at BK with an instructor using edgie wedgie, two hours with me and two more in a ski wee class at the end of last season He's just now to the point where he can ski without it.   Some kids that don't/can't ski fairly often aren't strong enough to do it initially.  When I taught, I never used one, don't thnk they were invented yet. I never gave up on a kid and all of them got it eventually, but it sure helps with getting spagetti legged little ones going quicker. 
post #5 of 19
 For a three year old I think an edgie-wedgie is perfectly appropriate.  They're not gonna progress much past it at that age no matter WHAT you do!  Once they hit 5 or 6, however, it's time to toss it!
post #6 of 19
The Edgie-Wedgie is one of the handier tools around for teaching children to ski. I always have one in my pocket. Why would I choose to ski backwards bent over holding a child's ski tips when I can ski forward leading the child around the beginner hill showing them how changing the size of the wedge changes how they go. With a wedgie the child is doing it themselves, no help from me. They are able to ski faster and use the same movement patterns to make turns that they will use once the wedgie comes off. I've never had a problem getting the child to give up the wedgie when they are ready. They get much more milege in the same length of time using the wedgie than if I were skiing backwards holding their ski tips. Most parents don't have the skill to safely ski backwards and hold their childrens tips, if they try they are a danger to themselves the child and others on the slope.

Vickie,

Just use one of the regular rubber wedgies the ones that hold the skis in a wedge are really for use in adaptive lessons.

The reason we use the wedgie is that many young children don't have the neuro-muscular development to point their toes in while sliding their feet apart. The wedgie automatically rotates their feet in when the feet are slid apart.

Use three cues for your child, 'feet close', feet apart and feet wide apart.

Feet close gives a parallel stance making it easier to tow them around with your ski pole hooked on the wedgie on the flats or if teaching them any manuver that works best with parallel skis.

Feet apart produces a gliding wedge stance that allows them to ski around the beginner hill and go wherever they want. Just tell them to point their toes where they want to go.

Feet wide apart produces a braking wedge that they can use to slow down or stop.

When you observe that the wedgie is often loose between the ski tips its time to 'burn the worm' and have them ski without the wedgie. Here you do ski backwards to catch them in case they arn't quite ready to mske a wedge on their own.

DO NOT take the child off the beginning hill untill they can ski without the wedgie.

Hope this helps,

fom
post #7 of 19
I think the benefits of  an edgie wedgie varies by child.  When I took my son to his ski school at Snomass this past year,  they used and edgie wedgie on him for the first two days.  The instructor said he lacked the strength to hold his ski tips together without one, and having skied with him on the local slopes before heading out West I would agree.  After the first two days, the instructor removed them from his skis.  By the 4th day, he was going up the lift and skiing down a green slopes.  i was quite happy to be able to ski with my just turned 4 year old son (by 2 weeks) at the end of the trip.  I can't wait to ski some with him this season.
post #8 of 19
Here's a place you can get them.

Here's what they look like.



Here's another discussion on the topic.

First things first.  Edgie Wedgies are a tool to be used when needed.   I always have one in my pocket when teaching.  I really like them for use with specific students.

Second, when attaching them, put the screw down.  This way it bites into the p-tex.  It gets a good grip on the ski tip and doesn't scratch or mar the surface of the ski.

As Weems said in the referenced thread, kids develop at different rates.  They develop gross and fine motor skills from the top down and from the core outward.  Thus you can have two kids that are the same age and yet one kid can make and hold a wedge while another has problems.

All an edgie wedgie does is help keep the tips together.  As an adaptive instructor, I've used all types of ski bras, trombones, and edgie wedgies.  I prefer the edgie wedgie for a multitude of reasons.  It does not "lock" the hips in one place like a ski bra does.  (When you hold the tips rigidly together, the kinetic chain prevents the hips from moving independently.)  The elastic of the edgie wedgie allows the ski tips to move in and out a bit which mimics the movement of the skis without it attached.  Also, if you watch the edgie wedgie for slack, you can get an idea of when the student is ready for it to be removed.

As with all tip retaining devices, keep a close eye on your student to insure they don't go backward.  This could lead to a split.  Normally the edgie wedgie will pop off or stretch before it becomes a major problem.  (Unlike a metal ski bra.)

I sometimes trick my students into realizing they don't need them.  I'll reach down to "tighten" one of the clips.  (Actually I loosen it a bit so it will slip off easily.)  As the student skis the clip pops off.  They normally don't notice it.  When we finish that run, I'll point out, "Wow, the edgie wedgie popped off and you kept skiing.  That's great!  Let's do it again!"  Of course if it pops off at another time and they keep skiing, I'll do the same thing.  Use everything to your advantage that you can.

So, use it as it is meant to be used, as a tool and not a crutch.
post #9 of 19
I used one on my son when he was 3-1/2.  We used it a few times and then he told me he didn't need it anymore. It worked really well for us.
post #10 of 19
These are really a lot like fat skis in the sense that they usually aren't absolutely necessary, but can be useful and get folks skiing terrain that might take longer to achieve without them.  They can also create bad habits and less than perfect technique when used beyond their intended purpose.
post #11 of 19
I really don't see the bungee cord style edgie wedgie creating bad habits.  It allows adequate freedom of movement of the feet and hips as needed.  All it primarily does is prevent the ski tips from diverging.  For young developing children this can be the difference between success and failure.  I'm not worried about "perfect technique" in a child that is getting on the slopes for the first few times.  I'm more concerned with helping them become life long snow sports enthusiasts.  I go back to the ski instructor's mantra; safety, fun, learning.  If I can get a kid to have fun, the learning portion of the equation is easy.
post #12 of 19
I think that the edgie wedgies are great for teaching kids.  They help them gain the muscle memory necessary to hold the feet in the position needed for a wedge. Whenever I use them, I ask the kids to try to feel how their legs and hips feel and how their feet feel when they are making a wedge with the help of the edgie wedgie so that they can re-create that feeling when I take it off.   I try to only use them for a few runs though.  Use them just long enough to build up their confidence, and then try taking them off and having them do it on their own so that they don't rely on them. 
post #13 of 19
Edgie-Wedgies seem to have a controversially. Has anyone tried one? Sure you'll put them on your kids skis. 
post #14 of 19
OK fess up old farts.  Who among us used those plastic anti-tip crosser thingies? 

Not it!
post #15 of 19
I keep one in my parka pocket and didn't need it last year at all. I feel it can help a 3 to 4yo progress to the point where they can negotiate the beginner area much quicker than without it. I feel only some kids need it and even then only for a short period of time.
 
RW
post #16 of 19
Victoria,

By the time you find what you are looking for and buy it, you may not need it anymore.
post #17 of 19
There is nothing wrong with the device.  I used it with my (then) 2-year old who just didn't have the strength to keep the skis straight but has great balance.  He used them until he was 4 1/2.  Now he is 6 and skiing black diamonds (just 2 a day otherwise his legs get tired).  If you decide to use the device make sure your child is balanced on his/her skis.  The device allows them to ski leaning backwards, and that is a very bad thing.  Then again, strength cures a lot of those problems in little children.  Both my kids improved rapidly and became balanced once their legs and stomach muscles strengthened from martial arts training.
post #18 of 19
I want to concur with the person who says skiing should be fun for the kids!  I used the Edgie Wedgie so the little one (then 2 years old,almost 3) could ride the chairlift with his big brother (then 5-years old).  Thankfully, the lift tickets for a kid that young are free at The Canyons.  He took a run or two and we brought him back to daycare before he became tired or cold.  This kept him wanting to ski more and more. If the Edgie Wedgie gets your child out there, use it!  Soon they will want to be a "big" boy or girl and get rid of it.
post #19 of 19
The ones you are looking for I think are trombones. They are metal and more durable and allow for some shuffling of the feet back and forth. This is a photo of it. It used to be made by Ski Eze, but i don't know how to find them now.

The plastic version looks like this
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