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Lower ESA age?

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
I got to thinking that ESA should be open to more people than just those over 18. I know that I and others would want to attend a session. So what about lowering it to 16 or so?
post #2 of 18
The issue is that minors can't sign liability releases, parents can't sign liability release for their minor children, and we can't operate without a liability release. 
post #3 of 18
Thread Starter 
Parents can't sign? What??
post #4 of 18

I sign liability releases for my children on a regular basis.  Almost any activity they participate in requires me (or my wife) to sign something for them.

post #5 of 18
i was a varsity gymnastics coach, parents had to sign a liability release for their student participant.the releases ability to protect the school system from liability was and still is a open book, sometimes it did and sometimes it did not, according to our Coaching Assoc,newsletter.
post #6 of 18
Just went on a rafting trip, you either had to sign or have a legal guardian sign the waiver...
post #7 of 18
Thread Starter 
Same thing when you rent skis. A parent has to sign a liability sheet. How is ESA any different?
post #8 of 18
In most if not all states,  a Minor's right to sue cannot be waived in advance by a parent. Suit can still be brought by the child once they reach age of majority, for the applicable statute of limitation. For example, in a state where there is a 2 year statute of limitation, a child injured today at the age of 12 could still sue for up to 2 years after they turn 18.  They could institute suit up until the day before their birthday in the year 2017. That would be a long time to worry about being sued.
post #9 of 18
There was a recent Colorado case where the parent signed the waiver and the court held it was not valid. I understand parents sign them all the time but it does not mean it is valid.
post #10 of 18
Thanks for the affirmation, Smooth Move and Skier31.
post #11 of 18
Thread Starter 
What if someone was to follow the group "accidentally" and attend all the meetings and such by accident?
post #12 of 18
that would be theft of services.

wait the two years It is worth it!

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What if someone was to follow the group "accidentally" and attend all the meetings and such by accident?
 
post #13 of 18
Thread Starter 
ahhh i see

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that would be theft of services.
 

post #14 of 18

They are telling you ESA is ski camp for older kids. 

Don't worry, you will get older and you'll be sorry.

post #15 of 18
SkiBum185 - There are lots of ski camps out there that will take students under the age of 18. You are the customer, you should never have to fight someone to give them your business. If ESA won't take you (which is their prerogative) then I say screw 'em and take your money some place where they'll accept it. 

What kind of skiing are you interested in? General Improvement? Bumps? Freestyle? Off PIste? I could probably recommend some programs for you.
post #16 of 18
Dude or dudette don't wish your life away just practice and when you get of age you can school the veterans!!!
post #17 of 18
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by PhilT View Post

SkiBum185 - There are lots of ski camps out there that will take students under the age of 18. You are the customer, you should never have to fight someone to give them your business. If ESA won't take you (which is their prerogative) then I say screw 'em and take your money some place where they'll accept it. 

What kind of skiing are you interested in? General Improvement? Bumps? Freestyle? Off PIste? I could probably recommend some programs for you.


Mostly off piste as well as general improvement
post #18 of 18
skibum185, 

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What if someone was to follow the group "accidentally" and attend all the meetings and such by accident?

It's happened. We welcome all interested parties to attend the socials and meetings. EpicSki and ESA are different names for the same people. If you want to come to the dinner, though, we'll have to hit you up for it! 
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