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Scott P4 or Fischer Watea 94 - help me decide (also I am back!)

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Thread Starter 
Skinny skis suck, fat skis truck. Is that a bumper sticker yet or what? Been a while since I have been on here. Back injury ended my season last year in Dec. and coming here was too depressing :-( I just got my first issue of Skiing Mag and it snapped me out of it.

OK so I am revamping my quiver for the upcoming season.

Stats: East Coast, Can ski OK, 5'5" with boots on, 155 lbs.

1 or 2 trips out west each year

Current quiver:

Fischer Cool Heat (my main go to skis)
Dynastar Troublemaker Limited
K2 Apache Chief

I might sell off the Dynastars to help fund the new skis. The K2s rarely if ever come out in the East and are a tad short for out west but function OK for me (tested in bottomless). I could replace them but they have demo bindings and I can consider them backups or for my wife or others to use occasionally. So they will be my backup/extra fatties.

I want to add either Scott P4s or Fischer Watea 94. I really like the appeal of having a wider ski in the P4 but am wondering if the Watea 94  might be more versitile for mostly east w/ some west. But the Scott is $70 cheaper so that is a factor as well. It would be nice to have a fatter ski that I can still use here in the east too.

What do you think? Opinions?
post #2 of 16
Different skis.....................

The 94 is a very nice everyday ride in the west and skis nicely in deepish snow given its width. The P4 is a more specialzed tool for your context. The P4 is very easy and manuverable in the 181(?) size. I think that you should dump the Chiefs and the TMs and buy both.

I'd strategerize your quiver as follows.

Cool Heat:.........Everyday hard snow tool.
Watea 94..........Everyday soft snow tool.
P4....................Specialty for deep days.
post #3 of 16
Thread Starter 
Thanks Jim. I would love to get both but then I wouldn't be able to ski after my wife breaks both of my legs when she sees TWO new pairs of skis coming at the same time! She just wouldn't understand even though I am selling off some skis.

So I guess I need to decide which is best suited. I am thinking maybe I should just get the P4s and take them and the Cool Heats out west with me. Or I could get the Wateas and just take them out west. OK so I am still confused on what to do LOL.

The best solution would be to move out west! ;-)
post #4 of 16
I can relate to your wife's lack of understanding.  I have that same problem on occasion.  I have not skied the Watea but bought and skied the P4 last season.  It worked great in the powder on our Utah trip and was surprisingly responsive on the more packed soft snow.  I was very please and you can usually find them fairly cheap.  The only thing that I didn't like about them was the trucker mudflap girl sillouette that adorns the bases and topsheets.  Fortunately my wife didn't notice and I got some stickers to at least cover the topsheet girls.  I know, I am just getting too old for that kind of stuff on my skis.
post #5 of 16
I would not look to the P4 as a dedicated soft snow ski.

I skied the 191 about 5-10 days last year.  I was pleasantly surprised by its on-piste performance, where it greatly exceeded edge hold expectations.  I was sorely disappointed by its off-piste performance, where it failed to inspire and felt pretty dead.  Float didn't seem any better than my 99mm-wide 188 PM Gear Bro Softs, presumably due to a combination of flex pattern and diminished surface area due to the huge tail.

I would opt for a different ski in this width range.  Personally, I dumped the P4 for the 190 Moment Ruby during the off-season.
post #6 of 16
Love the P4.  I've had the 181's for two seasons now.  Great in the powder and the trees.  Could just about ski it an as all around ski if I wanted.   And mine have the real nice graphics with all the colors.  Great ski and ALWAYS folks are asking about them, or saying how great they look. 
post #7 of 16
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post

Different skis.....................

The 94 is a very nice everyday ride in the west and skis nicely in deepish snow given its width. The P4 is a more specialzed tool for your context. The P4 is very easy and manuverable in the 181(?) size. I think that you should dump the Chiefs and the TMs and buy both.

I'd strategerize your quiver as follows.

Cool Heat:.........Everyday hard snow tool.
Watea 94..........Everyday soft snow tool.
P4....................Specialty for deep days.

Ok, after thinking realistically about how much I really get to ski powder, let alone deep stuff, I am considering the following for my quiver this year:

Cool Heat - everyday
Troublemakers - Occasional bumps (if knees and back hold up), messing around and skiing with my 8 year old
Watea 94 - Soft snow east and 1 ski quiver west

This way I would get to ski my whole quiver here in the east. If I had the P4s they would sit until I go out west. I am also thinking due to my size I should get better float from a pair of 178 Watea 94s than bigger guys. Yes??

Problem - the Watea 94 in 178 are now out of stock on the Sierra Skis site! I checked these out a while back and snoozed. Jim, are you still affiliated with them?
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MattL:

In a move to reduce the size of my (alpine/tele/AT) quiver I decided get rid of my tele skis and get just one for everything.  Based on what I heard here, and particularly from Sierra Jim, I went with the Watea 94.  I ended up skiing them last season on totally frozen groomers, true bottomless Utah cold smoke, and literally everything in between and cannot recommend them more highly for a western-one ski quiver.  Yeah, when it's really deep I usually go alpine and grab my fatter Wateas, or for heavy crud my Atomic ME:Xs, but the Watea 94s really impressed me with their light forgiving feel, yet seriously solid carving and crud skiing ability.

I think you have a good plan for your quiver for where and how you intend to use them.  If you go west and happen upon an epic storm cycle you can always rent some super faty rockers if really feel you need more ski, but at your size the 177s should float you in just about anything, amd make an excellent everyday western board.  FYI, the 94s have almost identical demensions as the Mantras, but IMO better at bumps and soft snow.

post #9 of 16
Mudfoot- Do you have an AT binding on the 94s?  What did you go with?
post #10 of 16
MEfree:

No, I am skiing them tele mounted boot center on the ski center mark.  I make primarily tele turns with them, but certainly do enough parallel turns to get the feel of how they work both ways.  I was particulary impressed by their hard snow carving performance.  For a ski that feels light, playful and forgiving in the bumps and soft snow, it holds an edge amazingly well.  I would highly recommend them for an AT ski, but I went super light last year with some Dynafit bindings and Goode carbon skis for AT that are essentially the same demensions as the Watea 94s.
 
Got a pair of size XL (11-13) Fritchi Freerdes for sale with brakes due to the gear shuffle if you know anyone who is interested.
post #11 of 16
Jim is now with Start Haus in Truckee.  www.starthaus.com
post #12 of 16
Matt:

As Dad pointed out, I'm no longer affiliated with SS&S. Sorry but I can't help you with a Watea at my new digs either....we've been sold out for some time. I bought some closeouts from Fischer in the spring but they were sold out of 94's as well so I dunno if there are many available at this time. You may find one if you keep digging around. If you don't, I'd advise against doing all this research and then buying the wrong thing just b/c you found a deal on it. I'll have new Fischers in stock about the middle of Oct, so I can hep ya out some if you don't find one before then....good luck.

SJ
post #13 of 16

Matt:

no doubt that the Sierra deal for Watea 94s @ $322 was a great deal.  Looks like the best that can be found out there now is:

Christy's for $450 - still have the 178

http://store.christysports.com/catalog/ski_shop/ski/mens_all_mtn_skis/fischer_watea_94_ski?gclid=CLDHvoKxxJwCFQJD5godHFBVnQ

 

 

post #14 of 16
Thread Starter 
Thanks I found some. Not quite as good a deal as Sierra but closer than anybody else. If anybody else is interested I will send you the link....after mine ship. :-)
post #15 of 16
Matt - that's great. 

I picked up a pair of lightly used Watea 94s in the 07/08 version for basically the same purpose that you described in this thread.  I can't wait to get on them this season on our out west trips.  I just booked our trip into Breck for first week of Feb. 
post #16 of 16
Thread Starter 
Wow I ordered these yesterday and had them on my door step less than 24 hours later! Looks like I grabbed the last pair. This company has quick, free shipping and prices that rival Tramdock.
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