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post #1 of 7
Thread Starter 
My dad (who lives in California) is planning a trip up to Montreal area sometime in February to visit my older brothers who live up there. I was going through FIS and USSA dates while building up my calendar for the season, when I noticed that there is a DH at Mount Saint Anne the first week of February. That said, I may make the trip up there after the USSA speed week at Sugarloaf to visit my dad while he is around. My questions are:

1) Is there any special qualifying for FIS races in Canada, or are they open to anyone with a license?

2) Would any points I score up in Canada transfer to my USSA point profile?

Thanks,

RTT
post #2 of 7
Not wholly sure what the latest, greatest rules are, but this is the usual skinny on racing out-of-country:

Regarding question #1:

- You must have a FIS points profile: be in good standing with the FIS and USSA etc.

- The race must have a stipulated ICR quota for said race.

- There must be quota space available for non-native racers in said race.  And this involves working with the USSA, as they will often field teams to out-of-country FIS races to help build up the points profiles of up-and-coming or "watch-list" racers.  As such, USSA has first rights to quota spaces in these races - in fact, they are the only authorized entity for U.S. racers to enter Canadian events.

Quote from pp. 46-47 of the USSA's Alpine Competition Guide:
Access of U.S. athletes to events of interest is via the regional offices and the national competition services office, for competitions of national scope. Special international licenses are not required for U.S. racers competing in Canada, but current FIS registration is mandatory. All entries are made by USSA.

Access to Canadian FIS race projects will be managed for USSA athlete development: selection of interested athletes will be both objective and subjective.

Additional guidelines and requirements apply to entry into these events. Complete details and instructions are available from your regional/divisional offices. As a general rule, the U.S. may claim up to 15 men and 15 women in Canadian competitions, FIS and national, subject to the approval of the Canadian officials involved.

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In order to enter FIS events in Canada, USSA competitors must be registered to appear on the FIS points lists and have 120.00 FIS points or better in any discipline; or they must be participating in a nationally or regionally-approved development activity....

For races in eastern Canada, the USSA Eastern office will coordinate and confirm entries... No entries are to be made directly to Canada or to the race organizers.

Racers entered in Canadian FIS competitions must be properly represented at all Team Capains' meetings, or otherwise accounted for to the FIS ICR, or they will be withdrawn from the entry list. Racers entered in Canadian FIS competitions who fail to withdraw in a timely manner, and/or who fail to start in races to which they have been entered, are subject to sanction/discipline including prohibition from entry into future Canadian FIS events.

So.... there 'ya go.  It's not as simple a matter as feeling like entering the races, especially if you're not already on the USSA/USST development track.

As far as points transfer, if you get good results in Canada, they'll lower your FIS points.  And if these points, in turn, end up lower than your current USSA points, it'll lower them, too.
post #3 of 7
Thread Starter 
So I should contact the Eastern coordinator and ask?
post #4 of 7
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Originally Posted by Rise To The Top View Post

So I should contact the Eastern coordinator and ask?

Couldn't hurt.  It'll be an uphill battle if your FIS point profile isn't stellar, but it's probably good to put your name in the mix early.  Their focus will be on getting the 15-19 year-old standouts in the Eastern division (and probably the Central end of Rocky-Central) into the quota slots, so chiming up now might win you favor.

As well: perform well (and consistently well) early in the season and you'll score bonus favor with the division higher-ups.

Good luck!
post #5 of 7
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Originally Posted by songfta View Post


Couldn't hurt.  It'll be an uphill battle if your FIS point profile isn't stellar, but it's probably good to put your name in the mix early.  Their focus will be on getting the 15-19 year-old standouts in the Eastern division (and probably the Central end of Rocky-Central) into the quota slots, so chiming up now might win you favor.

As well: perform well (and consistently well) early in the season and you'll score bonus favor with the division higher-ups.

Good luck!
 

I was just looking at the past races up there and it looks like there aren't too many Americans that go up there. Last year there were only two Americans who competed. Next year it just happens to be that both the Sugarloaf speed week and the Mt Saint Anne speed week occur at the same time, so I don't think it'll be a quota issue.
post #6 of 7
You would be surprised, often times racers are signed up for multiple races in advance and the make the last minute decision to go where the points are. MSA is a good place to score as its probably the easiest FIS DH in the country. When I was competing there was a lot of american competitors.

It also has happened that I was only allowed in a US FIS race last minute because teams didn't show up at the meeting, I raced one day then they came, I was bumped. It's a chance you have to be willing to take.

If you do get into the race, I would love to meet you and I could represent you as I'm taking a group of kids up and partaking in the races myself, I'm returning to active racing this winter.

If you have any questions at all about the MSA venue let me know, I know every gate by heart and I have pictures on my Facebook... I know that race inside and out.

Rem

PS: Montreal is quite a ways away from MSA about 3.5 hours at best,
post #7 of 7
RTTT,

Rem makes some great points. The MSA DH is quite "gentle", and as such it's a great one to gain experience in. Based on the way the calendar fell, a few years ago there was a lot of interest in this race among the Eastern US ski academy crowd. For whatever reason, that interest seems to have waned among the US skiers. Too bad, as it's a good venue. 

The Eastern USSA office controls and actually submits ALL FIS entries, both in Canada and in the US. An individual does not enter FIS races directly, as one enters a USSA race. There are quotas and limited numbers for all of them. I suspect that there should be room in this race, based on the lack of interest. First step is making sure that you have a FIS license. If you don't, you may want to think twice, depending on what other races you may try to enter. The license isn't cheap. There is far more interest in FIS races than there are openings. I know guys, as J1's last year, who were shut out of Eastern FIS GS races although they had points in the 60's. Also know guys with points in the 40's who couldn't get into Canadian FIS races as the US quota is so small. It's an issue, particularly in the East.  There are Eastern "Devo FIS" races specifically to gain experience; you should check with the Eastern USSA office to understand how those will work this year. The specific purpose is to get juniors a FIS profile.

The Eastern office, having a lot of pressure to make sure that they fairly handle this FIS demand, is very tough on people appearing on every list for every race, then picking where to head at the 11th hour. In the past some of that went on. Not much now. They want people and coaches to commit to one event. If you were on the list {which is rank ordered by points}, even if you were the 83rd alternate, you could take the chance on showing up and as names of the no-shows were "pulled from the board", you could possibly sneak in either under the US quota or to fill the field of 140 in the US. Harder to do now, as the no shows are more rare. Somebody will pull out, notify the Eastern office, and somebody else high on the alternate list will hop in a van to take their place. It's harder, but still possible.

I do not know how the Eastern office would handle you, as an independent, with no FIS speed experience, and limited USSA speed experience. I don't know, but I would ask them. You need to be represented at a FIS seed meeting by a coach, but you also really need a coach to be at the captains meetings, to be on a radio, etc. There are legitimate safety concerns. It's an "easy" DH, but still a DH.

I would contact the Eastern USSA office and ask the questions before doing anything else. Rem can be a huge help, but to get into any FIS race, you need to go through the Eastern office.  Start there.
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