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Gotama vs Ant vs Any other skis i should look at

post #1 of 13
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I'm in need of a new ski. I ski NZ most of the time and ive been looking at the new volkl gotama and armada ants mainly. I want something thats pretty stiff so i can charge and do stupid things like ski off large cliffs, be able to ski pow in the front of my boots properly which is not possible on my park skis, and handle well in crud and crappy snow. I guess i don't really know when a rocker is good and when it is bad. I have skied the Gotama and thought it was pretty nice, but i dont have anything similar to compare it to. Oh and id like to be able to turn in tight chutes when i have to, which i found very manageable with the goats.

Another thing i'd like to do but thats not as important is ski switch and land off BC booters. The low profile tips on goats got me thinking in deeper snow they would dive. Or would the rocker make up for this?

And if it matters, i am 21, 6 foot, 170lbs reasonably advanced skied but maybe not by standards around here.

Thanks for any input!
Dave
post #2 of 13
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post #3 of 13
 Well, I don't jump off much of anything. And I don't ski switch very well. But my kids do... 

I'm sort of surprised that your list does not include things like

Hell Bents
JJs
Bent Chetlers
Praxis Protests

Maybe Factions or Moments?

etc.

Maybe Sir Francis Bacons. Or if you are interested in soft tails on landings, EP Pros. ;)

Actually I noticed your stiff comment. However, in the rockered world, some preconceived notions may not apply. Also, the kinds of skis that will enable some of what you say you want to do may demand a more centered style than it sounds like you use.

Did you ski the rockered Gotama or the old one?
post #4 of 13
Thread Starter 
i skied the rockered one. I dont want a hellbent type ski. I want a big mtn type ski which is good for charging. I think you misread the part about centeredness. I was merely talking about the fact that skiing pow centered isnt possible on center mounted park skis.
post #5 of 13
K2 ObSethed?
post #6 of 13
For big hucks and riding switch to the road, sounds like you want the PM Gear Lhasa Pow.



Consider also the Line Mothership; and, for kicks and giggles, the Movement Flyswatter.

The rocker on the Goat is fairly subtle.   The tips are not going to be surface-seeking in deep powder. 
post #7 of 13
I've been on K2 Obsethed 189's for the past two NZ season and would recommend them to anyone looking for a ski that will take them through all conditions.  I got them before heading to Hokkaido over the last northern winter (traded in from Armada ARV) and they truely came into their own there.  While they are ideally suited to the soft stuff (love the McConkey turns) they still retain a sidecut and minimal camber to take you through crud and packed stuff.  Nice and soft in the tail (although not as much as the hell bent) make landing sweet and I had no trouble landing or riding switch in pow, even at +3.

I have to say that coming back to nz I'm thinking about finding a ski with more stiffness and dropping the rocker to handle the harder pack here, especially up high and early in the season.  I'm a weekend warrior now so my exposure to good conditions has dropped.  I find the Seth pops in the nose a bit when trying to carve aggressively in hard pack, I'd rather have my tips engaged.

At the end of the day I would recommend you pick up a ski for soft (rocker, width, soft, less sidecut) and hard snow (no rocker, stiff, generous sidecut, wide tip-tail but narrower under foot), this will give you a platform to progress in any condition and you will enjoy it more.  However with the cost of ski's I know this isn't always an option, so I would first try and land on the harder side for NZ conditions and pick up a pow ski when you can (or plan a trip to the northern hemi).

I've heard great things about the Gotama, but haven't ridden them.  I'm a firm believer in the Volkl construction method and the stiff, even flex profile of their top line performers is great, look for something with some metal in it for NZ conditions (I would lean volkl way for my 2nd pair of skis).  My mates who ride the Ant love it, but they are at it every day and riding the fresh whenever it falls.  They also ride smaller, stiffer skis on crap days (4FRNT MSP, K2 Extreme etc) You could look at the Armada JJ as the elf-toe tech would suit someone looking for a carver that will float (and not dive) in pow.

You could always keep it kiwi and go the Kingswood Archetype, this will give the performance in all conditions (sublime construction with premium materials), although it relies on width rather than rocker to keep you floating.

Hope that helps?
post #8 of 13

I would suggest the new Icelantic Nomad SFT, although it's not rockered, it is very nimble, light underfoot and even with the 181, it has a 20m tr.    http://www.icelanticboards.com/#/skis/detail/nomad

here's the link  to my intial review, impressions of the new SFT. I will be on them next week.

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post #9 of 13
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Originally Posted by spindrift View Post

 Well, I don't jump off much of anything. And I don't ski switch very well. But my kids do... 

I'm sort of surprised that your list does not include things like

Hell Bents
JJs
Bent Chetlers
Praxis Protests

Maybe Factions or Moments?

etc.

Maybe Sir Francis Bacons. Or if you are interested in soft tails on landings, EP Pros. ;)

Actually I noticed your stiff comment. However, in the rockered world, some preconceived notions may not apply. Also, the kinds of skis that will enable some of what you say you want to do may demand a more centered style than it sounds like you use.

Did you ski the rockered Gotama or the old one?

All excellent suggestions. Although i have not ski'd it, you may also want to take a look at the moment night trains, although i suspect it may be a bit soft for your needs...
post #10 of 13
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Originally Posted by DHogg View Post

i skied the rockered one. I dont want a hellbent type ski. I want a big mtn type ski which is good for charging. I think you misread the part about centeredness. I was merely talking about the fact that skiing pow centered isnt possible on center mounted park skis.

Obviously you should ski what you like. But I'm curious what you would consider the deficiencies in a Hell Bent for the use you propose. I've only ever met one person who I'm pretty sure could "outski" a Hell Bent.  And I know some seriously strong skiers who consider it a great ski for a whole bunch of uses along the lines of what you describe. 

Not trying to tell you what to like or not like -- just curious about your specific issues with the ski.

Check out K2's way better than average promo porn - http://vimeo.com/3097357 Some pretty big lines being hit on Hell Bents. And Pontoons (RIP).
post #11 of 13
Thread Starter 
Sure Bents can charge, but only really in fresh pow. Anything thats cut up or choppy or frozen and they get thrown around pretty bad and the tips flop around like crazy. Think i'll go for gotama or and on3p
post #12 of 13
 you ski in NZ, so why not support the locals:

http://www.kingswoodskis.com/home/

i know a few folks who ride those and love 'em (and report that they are burly/stiff). sounds like they might be right up your alley.

other'n that, there's also the Lhasa Pow from PM Gear. i've got quite a few friends i ski with regularly that have made that their go-to set of planks, for everyday, pow, and spring corn.
post #13 of 13
I have respectfully disagree. I skied them in soft wet spring piled crap and thought they just crsuhed it. I love that ski.
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Originally Posted by DHogg View Post

Sure Bents can charge, but only really in fresh pow. Anything thats cut up or choppy or frozen and they get thrown around pretty bad and the tips flop around like crazy. Think i'll go for gotama or and on3p
 
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