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post #1 of 23
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 Oh boy, look what the FedEx gal just dropped off:






I pre-ordered these in April, and they just started trickling into shops.  I wasn't expecting delivery until September or October.

I think I will hold off on mounting these until it gets a bit cooler.  Right now it's about 97F here, and I can't picture mounting skis out in the garage when it's this hot....
post #2 of 23
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I think I will hold off on mounting these until it gets a bit cooler.  Right now it's about 97F here, and I can't picture mounting skis out in the garage when it's this hot....

Meh.   I reckon the temps are about perfect for making junkboards.
post #3 of 23
Love the graphics, Way Cool. Would love to see em in action in a WV wonderland.
post #4 of 23
What does this ski replace, or come close to.. It is between the 8000, and the mythic, but what are the differences?
post #5 of 23
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Originally Posted by LeeX View Post

What does this ski replace, or come close to.. It is between the 8000, and the mythic, but what are the differences?

The narrower Sultan 80 is the new replacement for the 8000 (08-09 was the last year for them).

The Sultan 85 is a completely different ski than the Mythic, with full vertical sidewall and a tighter turning radius.  They feel a lot racier and more consistent than the Mythics over a wide range of conditions (if you have skied the Mythics, you'll know they have some unique/odd characteristics due to the hybrid sidewall, and can get out of their element easily).  

Last I heard, the Mythics will still be in the lineup for 09-10, but I think the Sultans will probably replace them at some point.  I am not sure I see the reason to have both models in the lineup.
post #6 of 23
 dont forget to update this thread.  Im curious about the sultans as an everyday WC ski. Like others i found the mythics to be a mix bag, and hope the sultan's will be a bit poppier and lively then the mythics without getting all squirrel on us. 

Plus the dynastars are usually fairly priced....
post #7 of 23
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Originally Posted by kbuzz View Post

 dont forget to update this thread.  Im curious about the sultans as an everyday WC ski. Like others i found the mythics to be a mix bag, and hope the sultan's will be a bit poppier and lively then the mythics without getting all squirrel on us. 

Plus the dynastars are usually fairly priced....

That's exactly what I liked about the Sultans during a demo -- much better ski than the slightly odd Mythics.  The Sultans have a lot more energy and a racier feel.

I got the Sultans for $529 with a pre-season pre-order discount.  I though that was a pretty reasonable price for these skis.
post #8 of 23
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Originally Posted by skier219 View Post




That's exactly what I liked about the Sultans during a demo -- much better ski than the slightly odd Mythics.  The Sultans have a lot more energy and a racier feel.

I got the Sultans for $529 with a pre-season pre-order discount.  I though that was a pretty reasonable price for these skis.

Slightly odd Mythic Riders???? Pffftt, who have you guys been talking to? I am glad you are stoked on your new skis, but MR's are my daily driver and I find nothing odd about them. As a matter of fact, they f$$king rip. I prefer the larger (stiffer) turn radius of the MR and the LP. The Sultan at a 16 turn radius may be a little softer of a feel than I want most of the time. Again, glad your stoked, but each to his own.
Edit: my bad, I just noticed your pair has a 19 radius as opposed to what I read on the Dynastar website. Still pretty sure my 184's are stiffer and more damp and that is what I like.
Edited by liv2 ski - 9/22/09 at 7:51pm
post #9 of 23
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Originally Posted by skier219 View Post




That's exactly what I liked about the Sultans during a demo -- much better ski than the slightly odd Mythics.  The Sultans have a lot more energy and a racier feel.

I got the Sultans for $529 with a pre-season pre-order discount.  I though that was a pretty reasonable price for these skis.
x2 - slightly odd Mythics - huh? The old 8800's had a slightly odd feel due to varying flex, but the Mythic that replaced it is dead-on.

Nice that you're excited, but there's never been any "slightly odd" reports until you came up with it.
post #10 of 23
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I'm basing this on my experiences with both skis, not cheerleading (I previously had a pair of Mythics).  I really think the Sultans are a better overall ski.  

BTW, there was a MR thread kicking around last season where other folks noted some of the same things I experienced.
post #11 of 23
 I love it...a pre season Mythic Rider debate. LOL.  Its all good!!!!!!! .  The MR cannot be denied if one like the feel.  Its just good to have another option in the Dynastar line.  And as noted above, the MR is staying in the line.  Whether it was "diluted" for this year I dont know.  What i do know is some prefer a tunier, livelier poppier ski the the MR. I enjoy both. 

Stated this way:

When im in shape and mid season I like to go fast and stay stable at longer turns and scoff at crud.  MR, excellent for this. 

When Im a year older, out of shape, working 90 hours a week, juggling kids and sucking at altitude, I like to go slower and turn more...well im assuming thats the point of the Sultans
post #12 of 23
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 I think the Mythics are still slightly better in crud, after all, that's their strong suit.  But emphasis on slightly.  For everything else, I think the Sultan is a better overall ski.  Where the difference is most noticeable is when skiing fast on harder snow.  There, the Sultans are fantastic, even better than the Head iM88 IMHO, which is the closest competitor.  The 09 and older iM88 that is -- for 2010, that ski was really dumbed down.
post #13 of 23
Hey Everyone, I just joined today - great forum.

I am considering getting a set of those Dynastar Sultan 85's for east coast skiing primarily, cold hard pack with the infrequent ankle deep snow, bumps, and glades. I am about 6 foot and 200 , is this a good ski for me?

I do not go into the park or do jumps often at all and am barely ever out west. I'm looking for a good all mountain ski that can carve big arcs and get me through the trees quickly.

Recently, I got a pair of park skis and am dissapointed with them because they cannot carve like the vipers I used to have.

Thanks Everyone!
-P
post #14 of 23
Oct 20, 2009


Hi Patrick:

Welcome to the Barking Bears forum. 

I love your avatar. Even though all the characters are Chinese, I would have to guess that it was done by a Japanese artist.  It has a "Japanese" feel to it.  It is obvious you know what the "big character" in the middle is.  It is the character "Heart".  Do you know what the two small characters (probably the pen name of the artist) means?  The two characters  能忍 means "can endure" or "able to tolerate". 

As for your original question about whether the Sultan 85 would be good for an east coast ski.  I can't comment on the Sultan 85, but for the last 2 seasons, I have been on the Legend 8000 which the Sultan 80 replaces and I love that ski.  Being an east coast skier, I usually use it in the conditions which you have described.  It is also a great spring ski.

Think Snow,

CP
post #15 of 23
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That's exactly what I liked about the Sultans during a demo -- much better ski than the slightly odd Mythics.  The Sultans have a lot more energy and a racier feel.
Hmmm, have not been on Sultans, but I do find the "slightly odd" characterization of Mythics, well, slightly odd.  My Mythics have plenty of energy, they just need some input to get that energy out of it.  It is not the ski that would pop short turns in the fall line on an autopilot, it is too stiff and too straight for that.  However, with input it will pop short turns just fine.  That payoff of the stiffness and straightish sidecut is the crudbusting ability and stability; nothing odd there, just a design compromise biased towards stability.  Personally, I am not interested in Sultans, for my skiing they are a step in the wrong direction (i.e. narrower as opposed to wider).  If Dynastar made a turnier ski in a wider width (i.e. 94-96mm, ~19m sidecut, torsionally stiff, even flex with a slightly stiffer tail), then I would be interested.  I have not demoed the Sultans, so I am talking out of my a$$, but to me the Sultan seemed more of a better L8K rather than a better Mythic- a tweener West coast ski or a terrific daily driver for an East coast expert who goes out West a few times a year.    Agains, your mileage may vary, after all I loved Mojo 94 and Craig (219) described it as a "puppy dog"...
post #16 of 23
One more thing, skier219, congrats on the new boards
post #17 of 23
Charlie P,

Thanks for the props on my avatar. I googled "heartmind" and that is the charecter that came up - I was reading about it in a chi kung book and it sounds like a great 'mantra'.

Thanks for the info on the sultans, I'm stoked about some new skis , for sure!
post #18 of 23
Had a chance to try out my new sultan 85 on the weekend. Whistler opened early with a base now over 200 inches. Conditions were all over the map, from deep powder, groomed runs to skied out crud. The skis performed well in all conditions. I particularly liked their response to skied out powder where one second you're up to your knees in powder and the next your plowing through someone else's crud They are a great all mountain skis. By the way my wife was skiing on a new pair of Dynastar Legend Eden skis and commented that they were the best pair of skis she has owned in years. It was only 2 days of skiing. I'll provide more feedback in the coming weeks.
post #19 of 23
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 Skied my Sultans today, and the experience mirrored my recollection from demos last season.  This really is an outstanding ski.  I think its strength is the balance of precise/powerful hard snow performance with smooth and graceful soft snow performance.  I have not encountered a ski that does so well across the spectrum.  I have to think this is one of the best new skis for 09-10.
post #20 of 23
 Where did you ski them at?
post #21 of 23
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Originally Posted by skier219 View Post

 Skied my Sultans today, and the experience mirrored my recollection from demos last season.  This really is an outstanding ski.  I think its strength is the balance of precise/powerful hard snow performance with smooth and graceful soft snow performance.  I have not encountered a ski that does so well across the spectrum.  I have to think this is one of the best new skis for 09-10.

Agree completely. I have mentioned many times that in MPO, balance is the key to a ski that can work East to West, and North to South. The fact is that as much as you hear folks blather on about how they want this or that or t'other.......most folks only buy one pr of skis and what they really want is a blend of all things. The Sultan does this as well as any ski I've been on in recent years, and it is an improved replacement for a ski that IMO was one of the best "blenders" of the past decade.

SJ
post #22 of 23
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 Where did you ski them at?

Hit Wintergreen yesterday on opening day.  The snow quality was extremely good, probably due to the recent cold temps and low humidity.  I don't think I have ever seen better manmade snow in December in this area before.

Of course, today it's getting trashed by rain and mixed precip, so now it's going to be base material...
post #23 of 23
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Agree completely. I have mentioned many times that in MPO, balance is the key to a ski that can work East to West, and North to South. The fact is that as much as you hear folks blather on about how they want this or that or t'other.......most folks only buy one pr of skis and what they really want is a blend of all things. The Sultan does this as well as any ski I've been on in recent years, and it is an improved replacement for a ski that IMO was one of the best "blenders" of the past decade.

SJ

When I have the luxury of targeting specific conditions, the one-trick pony skis offer a great/optimum experience, but they often fall flat on their face when asked to do other things.  I can't even count how many times I have been "stranded" with the wrong ski for the condition/run and it really detracted from the experience.  Such as -- navigating big powder boards through bumps or tight spaces, limping wide skis across ice like they are clown shoes, happening on a powder stash with hardpack skis and sinking like an anchor, or taking a carver ski through heavy crud and having it deflect like a compass needle near a magnet.  The worst is traveling out west with one pair of skis and hoping you guessed right -- it can be a crap shoot.

I think the Sultans will be a good compromise ski in many cases.  Later in the day yesterday, they went from ice to fluffy piles of sugar to crud just beautifully.  I want to measure the skis up, because I detected two seemingly opposite characteristics.  On hard snow, they skied much shorter than a 184cm ski would in my experience, and gave me a carver feel, with a narrow band of fore/aft support and very strong snow grip.  In the soft stuff, they felt long and offered a more substantial big ski feel with a lot of fore/aft balance.  Just eyeballing them next to my other skis (closest being the iM82 in 183cm), the Sultan has a more forward binding mount by about 20-25mm, and more of a turned up tail, so I have a feeling the hard snow running length is a bit shorter and biased forward, but the soft snow length grows as the tails engage.  Whatever the combo, it works very nicely in that size ski.  I can see taking these out west and not feeling penalized in any particular condition.
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