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post #31 of 40
Originally Posted by MastersRacer View Post

I didn't realize siping could be added. I thought it was a part of the tire design.


Les Schwab does it out here.  They claim it helps in snow as well as extending the tire life by helping it run cooler.  As I recall, if the tire was over $80 the increased tire life paid for the siping.  I had it done on some tires on the Tacoma, not my main snow vehicle, but it did help in snow and the tires have been through several long hot summers in good shape.
post #32 of 40
Anyone here running Green Diamonds? 
post #33 of 40
You need chains just before the other guy starts sliding at you, especially when there's a sheer drop off a cliff nearby.

We rented a Toyota RAV4, and it kicks out of 4wd/awd at a mere 40mph. We had to chain up for a drive from some Summit somewhere past Sacramento all the way to Lake Tahoe - at 40mph. Regrettably we had those cheap and nasty wire 'chains' which take forever to fit. Then we had to take them off, put them back on. ad nauseum.

Thereafter  I just rent a normal car and bring my easy fit chains across the Pacific. They're quick to fit, and a normal car (cheaper to rent too) has a lower centre of gravity.

I haven't driven a Forester, but our lodge manager's Outback slewed down the road to the carpark several times at very slow speed. He finally chained up. It took 2 minutes.

I'd rather arrive alive by 'wasting' a few minutes on something like chains.

Enjoy the Forester. I've never heard a bad review.

Originally Posted by crgildart View Post

Paging Philpug!

We finally traded up to a Forester.  Just how good is the all wheel drive on these?  It came with Bridgestone Duelers that look like decent all weather kicks.  Has anybody with a similar vehicle ever felt the sincere need to chain up on a particularly nasty road or trail?

I have 4 chains (2 real chains, and 2 cable chains) from the old Trooper that had all terrain rubber.  I never actually had to chain up for anything we encountered over the past 2 years. I was close to putting them on once, but opted to just take it slower in 4WD.   Should I bother to find some chains that fit the new vehicle, or do most folks feel we will be able to get where everyone else can just fine, say if they enact a chain/AWD/4WD rule somewhere?

post #34 of 40
Originally Posted by comprex View Post

Anyone here running Green Diamonds? 

I'm a die hard Bridgestone  Blizzak guy, lately the  WS-60 

post #35 of 40

Which axle do you chain up first the steer or the rear? What type of equipment/gear do you need to chain? How fast can you drive with chains on?

post #36 of 40
Originally Posted by slider View Post

Which axle do you chain up first the steer or the rear? What type of equipment/gear do you need to chain? How fast can you drive with chains on?

Drive wheels.  AWD -- it depends on AWD, but basically get two pair, you'll be glad you did.  Same for 4wd -- get 2 pair.  Not real fast.

For the EC in particular chains are in my view a matter of, once or twice a winter, not having to wait a couple hours.  You can virtually always wait two hours and be ok, but chains will let you push it a bit with road icing if the road is empty enough that other cars aren't a big hazard and you're happy going slow. 

Likewise out west there are a surprising amount of places with steep grading, even in areas where chain use is very rare, where chains can make the diff, even with good tires and 4wd or good awd, between waiting a couple hours or going, or perhaps between going but having to gun it faster than you like to carry speed, or feeling comfy at 15 mph on a slick road with steep dropoff.  THe "quick-release" chain models are pricey but it's nice to get them on in 2 minutes real-world with klutzy fingers. 
post #37 of 40
Originally Posted by veteran View Post

We rented a Toyota RAV4..........

That would be the start of your problems there......

Saw plenty of RAV4's slipping around in NZ, there not really that good on non-highway.... Other Toyota's have great AWD systems... This one kinda fails in snow.
post #38 of 40
Originally Posted by Rossi Smash View Post

I'm a die hard Bridgestone  Blizzak guy, lately the  WS-60 


Yup... plenty of Blizzaks in Canuckistan too.... I got a good deal on Michelin X-Ice 2's from tirerack.com last season and am thoroughly impressed with them too :-)
post #39 of 40
I have never needed chains on any of my cars (all one-wheel drives, except for the '68 Ford Custom that had a partially seized crown gear in the diff. making it a two-wheel drive), but I have never driven through much more than 20 inches (not counting drifts) of snow either.  I did regret not installing the chains on my '86 chevette (ran the original equipment all-seasons the first year I had the car) coming down the (then) twisty hilly road at Mt. Washington Vancouver Island.  I made it down, but it was a little nerve wracking keeping the speed low enough on the downhills to make the corners without skidding out.  I had to rent chains at the chain-up point, but only threw them in the back of the car for extra weight/traction.

You shouldn't be driving 40+ mph with chains anyway, probably no more than 30 mph.

I have found the wet weather traction on Michelin snow/winter/ice tires pretty good, about 5 times better than the wet weather traction of the old Perilli P77's that were my summer tires one season.  I suppose a lot of you aren't old enough to remember those killer tires ;) 

I would buy four proper old-fashioned chains and keep them in the car for the flats AND chain up at the mountain for the ride back down or at the bottom going up if there was snow coming down.  If you need chains on a flat road, the road will be closed.

Most of my driving has been in Quebec and Ontario.
post #40 of 40
Anyone here running Green Diamonds?

I had a set of Green Diamond Icelanders on an Accord that's since been replaced, and was extremely disappointed with them.  I had some initial quality issues (2 tires that wouldn't balance) which were handled superbly by the rep I ordered from, but once I had a working set of 4 on, the limitations of the product really came through.

The rain traction was awful, dry was pretty bad, snow was barely better than normal all-seasons, slush was awful--they were just bad all around.  I did once find a packed snow condition they excelled at, but only once.  Their strength was supposed to be ice, but honestly by the time I got any to test them on, I hated them enough that it was hard to be objective (and didn't notice anything great about them there, either).

For comparison's sake, I should probably mention that the Green Diamonds replaced a set of Nokian W's that had 70k miles on them, and I was really excited about the idea of the "green diamonds" and their potential for awesome ice traction without studs, which is the only reason I didn't buy another set of Nokians.

My new Outback is getting Nokian WR G2's this fall.
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