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post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
Over head pressure is the fear of judgment occasioned by skiing under the chair or in view of the chair. At Bridger there's an exhibitionary bump run called Bronco that feeds my demons, but if the snow looks interesting, I feel the fear and do it anyway. OHP limits many perfectly able skiers to runs not clearly visible from the chair, yet many lift lines offer the best fall line (and least tracked) skiing at the area, not to mention the advantages of scoping conditions and planning your line on the ride up.

How do you deal with OHP? What have you found that works to desensitize students to OHP? What are some of the benefits of learning to deal with performance anxiety?
post #2 of 15
OHP may induced by a falling ski or a tossed drink bottle. They tend to have lots of pressure when they hit. Best reason in the world never to ski under a chair. Were you baiting us Nolo?

That said, yes I do ski under the chair on a few runs that tend to have few riders so I can get a bit of the good stuff and then get out quick.

An instructors jacket makes you a sure target for kids to get rid of that snow load on their skis.

I'm certainly not immune when it comes to letting go and getting loose. I love to ski loose, have fun like a little kid, play soaring bird and stuff ..... when I'm all alone or with a few close friends. They put a chair on that one secluded run and spoiled it all.

I just tell folks (when it comes up), to ski for YOU and ski from the HEART and for the joy of it.

If you worry too much, you HAVE lost already, might as well give up now???

Sensei would tell me that it was OK to fall seven times ..... just be sure to get up eight!

[ October 04, 2002, 04:31 PM: Message edited by: yuki ]
post #3 of 15
I love skiing under the lift, because I am a total show-off.

However, I like to ski there, and I like our pros to ski there, in order to try to break through the image of instructors not being good skiers (even though that's not the whole job description).

When I take a class there, the way I deal with their OHP is to have the class and the riders develop a relationship.

"Okay, group, we're going under the lift, now. If you fall, I don't want a simple sit down. I want a classy fall. Something scorable. I want tens. I want falls with flare. I want entertainment." If you make it absurd enough, they'll have fun with it.

Obviously, you have to read and develop a group that is willing. For some students, this is a really bad idea. But often if you take the seriousness out of it, they do better--even the timid ones.

I also talk to the riders about the students. When a student performs a task--any task--successfully, I look up to the riders and ask for approbation and applause. "Look at that. LOOK AT THAT. She's doin' it. She's the best. She's magic. Loud applause and praise, please (to the riders)." This way, I control the environment, not the riders. We go up to them before they get mean with us. They're an audience, so play to them.
post #4 of 15
What's the use of skiing good if nobody can see from the chair??? [img]smile.gif[/img]

post #5 of 15
...and it goes on!

Yes, some things just HAVE to be seen! It would be a waste to hide such artistry!

Ott, I hope you are doing well, and having a great fall! (That is to say, Autumn!) I have promised people that I would do my best to cajole you and Ann into coming to our camp in Utah. Here's another nudge....

Best regards,
Bob Barnes

[ October 04, 2002, 05:53 PM: Message edited by: Bob Barnes/Colorado ]
post #6 of 15
Thread Starter 

This is of genuine interest to me because so many of the best runs at our area have OHP potential.

It's a term and a condition that my students educated me about, not the other way around. I've made a fool of myself under a chair lift enough times that it doesn't feel uncomfortable to consider doing it again.
post #7 of 15
Hi Bob, Utah sounds great and I would if I could, but I can't for personal reasons. I hope to be somewhere in your neighborhood around early March, though, but that is a long way down the road and much can happen.

I do want to hear every little detail of the camp/gathering, I hope you guys get online from there for a daily report. I would be interested in both what worked and what didn't, considering that this is an experiment and some bugs would have to be worked out.

I sure love you guys, all of you. I never would have believed that a tight community like this could be formed over the computer with written words (and an occasional picture )


Edit: Since you asked, we are having a great time, all the time. Monday or Tuesday we are going to Rice Lake in Ontario to do some fishing and by Saturday we go to Kitchener, Ontario for a few days, at least, of Oktoberfest revelry. So I'll be off-line for some time but will be back by the 18th or before.

[ October 04, 2002, 06:54 PM: Message edited by: Ott Gangl ]
post #8 of 15
OHP, aka The Hollywood Line! [img]graemlins/evilgrin.gif[/img]

Worst thing EVER dropped on me was... well somebody mistook me (or my uniform) for a spitton, and nailed with with a big gob of chew. Darned if that silly Oxi-Clean didn't get that out!

In the midwest, (Buck Hill, Wild Mountain, Afton Alps) I used to ski under the chairlift all the time, because that's where the good snow was!

nolo, does the lower Bronco lift still have that HUGE jump, skiers right of the towers? When I was in Bozeman (college days) you could get enough air to wave "eye-to-eye" with the folks on the lift. I managed to knock myself out on upper Bronco, in full view of the lift once. Clipped myself under the chin with a pole. Bit my tongue hard enough to leave a bunch of pink snow behind... :

Haven't skied Bridger in years, there are lifts where I used to have to hike! Wonderful mountain, it's where I got my real introduction to powder... Back when yahoo was a ski, not an Internet URL... [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]
post #9 of 15
If my body is behaving and I'm skiing OK, I might take runs under the chair. Why is it that the best bump runs are invariably under a chair? I blame my pathetic bumping on the fact that I'm usually skiing in uniform, and therefore can't risk being seen hacking and flailing.

Here in Australia, I've noticed that boarders on chairs seem to target anyone skiing half decently as recipients of the snow that is on their boards.
post #10 of 15
Yeah Ant- but I'm guessing there have been a few incidents - because Gunbarrel Chair now sports a BIG sign saying that 'clapping skis together' etc to 'snow the people underneath'is an offence & skipatrol will be called to remove passes if you are spotted!

Not too worried about those watching from lifts - I was always so awkward on skis that I KNEW I looked stupid -(Read looked like a THUNDERBIRD on skis!) why worry about the lift people - there were whole SLOPES full of people to snigger at me.

I do get VERY stressed & nervous when skiing with an instructor I haven't skied with before though. I think I BELIEVE that the average village idiot is unlikely to know what I'm doing wrong (or right) - they judge good skiing by some strange spacey criteria. Skiing with INSTRUCTORS though is a WHOLE 'nother thing - I KNOW they can SEE ALL the stuff I am doing WRONG on every turn - in vivid gory detail! Aaaarrrrggghhhh!

Actually enjoying the shouts of encouragement from the chairs at Falls Creek this year - a bunch of the instructors have taken to yelling encouragement from lifts when I'm doing well - it is way : to have a group yell to you when you ski well!(I think they really just want more food as they are starving on the staff rations & I feed them from time to time)
post #11 of 15
Thread Starter 

Can you reference it to Hully Gully? That part of the mountain was remodeled a few years ago. I think it might be where we now get on the chair... No more midway unloading/loading.

Hey folks, I thought the rule was no STOPPING under chairs. I haven't experienced the kind of rudeness you folks describe since the 70s, but I have done cleanup under lift lines and obviously a lot of stuff falls from the chair. (Some of it valuable, depending on your tastes.)
post #12 of 15
I am always nervous when skiing under a chair, but only because of the idiots that have to clap their skis and fiddle with their poles. The thought of having a ski or pole drop on top of my head is not very reassuring. Otherwise, I could not care less about who is watching me ski.
post #13 of 15
Not wanting to hijack this thread, but this is an important statement below. It may be the reason that 1. some people do better in classes than privates (anonymity), 2. it may be the reason that ski school doesn't do as well as it should, 3. it is something that every instructor should read, note, and fix. A lesson should(can) be joyful, not embarassing.
Good comment. Thanks. And, by the way, the best instructors look for what you're doing right, so we can build on that--with reinforcement and shaping and acknowledgement.

Originally posted by disski:
I do get VERY stressed & nervous when skiing with an instructor I haven't skied with before though. I think I BELIEVE that the average village idiot is unlikely to know what I'm doing wrong (or right) - they judge good skiing by some strange spacey criteria. Skiing with INSTRUCTORS though is a WHOLE 'nother thing - I KNOW they can SEE ALL the stuff I am doing WRONG on every turn - in vivid gory detail! Aaaarrrrggghhhh!

post #14 of 15
OHP -> I never thought about it much until last year at Killington when I was hit in the face (goggles, mostly) by a hard icy snowball thrown from a chair containing three boarders (complete strangers).

I was going quite fast, and the impact (fortunately) only cracked the lens in my goggles, and didn't land on my eye (which could have had very serious consequences). I was able to stop without falling or hitting anything, and could hear the guys laughing and hollering "...like it, a@@hole?" Realistically, there was nothing I could do to try to catch them.

Since then, if I'm taking a run under a chair, I try to put as much sideways distance as possible between myself and chairs.

Tom / PM
post #15 of 15
And of course, that happened at Killington! :

Its funny when you wipe out under a chair! I once got major applause for "dramatizing" a fall. It was in relatively deep powder for NE, so I threw up one arm and one leg! Someone told me later that that was all you could see from the chair!
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