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post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
Hello all,

A few questions to the Locals...

My family and I are going to the Lake Louise area in November to get some training.  My sons will be training at Sunshine for 3 days and then I hope to take in the WC races at Lake Louise.  Any advice on where to stay, how to get around, how to score some great tickets, how to let my 9 year old forerun the SG (also how to clean poo out of a GS suit).

Any and all advice would be really really appreciated and handsomely rewarded with beer and praise.

Cheers!

Pray for snow, eh! 
post #2 of 21
I haven't gone, although friends go up there all the time (every year).  I doubt very seriously though, if a nine year old can forerun a World Cup race. 
post #3 of 21

Seriously, you want your 9 year old to forerun a WC SG?

MR

post #4 of 21
Yeah, there's a hell of a difference between a divisional SG and a FIS SG, let alone stepping up to a WC SG.  There's no way you want your 9 year old on that course.  Hell, I don't like gatekeeping on some parts of the NorAm downhill they run here at Whitefish.  One guy shattered his shoulder just doing course maintenance the ice was so rock hard.
post #5 of 21
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

 I doubt very seriously though, if a nine year old can forerun a World Cup race. 
 

I have to agree with sibhusky.
post #6 of 21
I think the OP was joking about forerunning.
JF
post #7 of 21
I have no idea how you have those things arranged on other side of ocean, but around here (Slovenia, Austria, Italy, Germany) normally forerunners are kids (not 9 years old, but more like 15-20) from local clubs or National B-team. Considering number of forerunners (3 for SL and GS, plus 1 or max 2 reserve, and 5 or 6 for SG and DH plus max 3 reserve) there's not really much chance to get into that quota. Only exception I know is Kitzbuhel, where anyone can actually apply for one of extra forerunners. But then again, I have no idea what has to be missing in your head to go down the Streif, if you are not racer with everyday training and experience.
If you really want your kid going down the course, you will have much more chance trying to get him into sliping crew. They are normally volunteers from local clubs, and I have seen pretty much everything from 10-80 years. But even then, it's far harder then someone might imagine. I'm normally skiing/sliping down the WC courses as photographer, and sometimes it's far from easy thing to do, despite my experience on skis.
post #8 of 21
National team members and hopefuls and local club talent are what are usually used, to my knowledge, too.

I'm hoping, as 4ster suggests, that the OP was joking about the forerunning. Otherwise he's may have a disappointed youngster when his kid finds out he won't be forerunning.

In the off chance that he was serious:

607 Age Limits
607.1 The FIS competition year is July 1st - June 30th of the following year.
In order to compete in international competitions (except children's
competitions) a competitor must have reached his 15th birthday before the
end of the calendar year (January 1st - December 31st) in question.
The right to compete starts at the beginning of the competition year (July
1st) even if the competitor has not yet reached his 15th birthday at that
time.

Forerunners are usually held to the same standards as competitors, so a 9 year old isn't old enough for a WC. He'd also have to hold an FIS license in order to participate. For idemnification.




post #9 of 21
For all races, regardless of level, the forerunners must be age appropriate for the race course as set. Forerunners for FIS races, must have a FIS license.
post #10 of 21
If you want to see what the race is like, keep an eye on the course after the race.  I've run several WC and Olympic courses after the poles are pulled.  It isn't hard to tell where they were, and the padding and netting is the last thing to come down.

I had a whole day on the Olympic SG in Snow Basin Utah.  Nets, pads, fencing all in place and not a skier on the hill.  A spotter is still an absolute necessity for SG.
post #11 of 21
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Originally Posted by Robin Sadler View Post

For all races, regardless of level, the forerunners must be age appropriate for the race course as set. Forerunners for FIS races, must have a FIS license.
 

The rule has been changed as of the June 30 ICR precisions.  A license is no longer required, just the signing of the declaration
 
605    Forerunners
 
605.1  The organiser is obliged to provide at least three forerunners who have signed  the FIS Athletes Declaration.
post #12 of 21
Thread Starter 
Hey guys, 

TOTALLY kidding about a JV racer forerunning a WC race.  I think that I would be the WORST parent on earth if i were to even seriously contemplate such a thing.  I am looking forward to showing him a WC race, not killing him at one.

Cheers!
post #13 of 21
Thanks! That is a relief. As you know race parents come in all shapes and ambitions. You are clearly a sensible one.

MR
post #14 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thanks MastersRacer,

While your use of "sensible" may be questioned by my wife and friends, I appreciate your comment.  Race parents are an interesting breed indeed.  I am of the, "smile more" camp and that's why I posted the original question.  I want to find the goodies and insider info to make this experience a ton of fun for my son and for me.

Cheers!

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Originally Posted by MastersRacer View Post

Thanks! That is a relief. As you know race parents come in all shapes and ambitions. You are clearly a sensible one.

MR
post #15 of 21
I haven't been to a DH at Louise for some years, but here are a few things that worked for me.

First, Lake Louise is inside a National Park, so there are a few interesting rules about tickets.  Lift ticket sales can be cut off, but anyone who enters the park can walk up with no lift ticket.  It's really more fun going up the lift, so call ahead and get your ticket in advance.

Where are you staying when your son is training at Sunshine?  If you're already in Banff, then the easy option would be to extend your accommodation to cover the WC race. Another option that I like for WC events is to stay further down the road towards Field in BC.  Good rates for basic accommodation, and traffic from that direction back to Louise is much lighter than everyone coming up for the day from Calgary. 
 
If you want to go in style, the Post Hotel can't be beat.
post #16 of 21
Holimonter,

I think your comment about cleaning GS suits made it pretty obvious that you were just kidding about the forerunning...looks like a few folks didn't read as carefully as they could have.

But hey, kids can dream, so good for you for lighting the spark.  Hope you have a great trip!
post #17 of 21
I'll second the Post Hotel.  But we stayed twice in one of the suites and my brother stayed in a room that was not all that big and decided he needed a bigger room.  The suite was wonderful indeed and of course the hotel is wonderful as is the restaurant.  But that was back when I was extremely gainfully employed.
post #18 of 21

The best place to stay during the Winterstart weekend is at the Fairmont Chateau Lake Louise. ALL of the racers stay there and can be seen throughout the week in the lobby and fitness area. There is a shuttle bus to the hill every 15 minutes or so and a shuttle service from Banff and Calgary. Tickets to ski are at the hill. For viewing, the best place is at the finish in the bleachers with a view of the jumbotron tv. There are two bleachers, VIP with access to the hospitality tent, and public with a first come first seated format. The VIP is for sponsors of the race and CDN team.

post #19 of 21
First of all, I foreran that course when I was 6 years old. I was wearing hockey skates, a tutu and a painter's cap. So a 9 year old? Pshhh! Whatevas. 



But all kidding aside, other than it being in a National Park, Lake Louise is a very accessible race. In fact most years the general skiing public ignores the race altogether so race fans don't have to worry about finding choice seats. It's a pretty low key affair, especially since it is so early in the year. Most of the course is viewable by skiing beside it.

BUT! It can be BRUTALLY cold here in Alberta at that time of year (or more accurately, at almost ANY time of the year). So come prepared. Bring all your warmest clothes, battery powered boot/mitt warmers, and even face masks if you got 'em. Looks dumb but so does running into the lodge every 10 minutes to thaw your extremities.

That said, apparently few if any World Cup venues rival Lake Louise for beauty, so pray for good weather and have fun! 

P.S. I've ran that course many times. While very fast in average speed it is easy as it is relatively flat, and has no radical changes in terrain or steepness. I say it was easy and I pretty much sucked.
post #20 of 21
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bez View Post

First of all, I foreran that course when I was 6 years old. I was wearing hockey skates, a tutu and a painter's cap. So a 9 year old? Pshhh! Whatevas. 
 

Nice!  I am still telling the story of how some people thought I was serious about sending a 9 year old down a WC course.

Thanks for all of the advice - We will be sure to dress warm.  The plan is to spend Saturday watching the DH from the stands and milling about.  Sunday we'll be on snow to watch the SG.  Any secret spots to stand on the hill with nice views, etc., etc.?

Are you going to the races?

Cheers!
post #21 of 21
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Originally Posted by Holimonter View Post

Nice!  I am still telling the story of how some people thought I was serious about sending a 9 year old down a WC course.

 

You weren't serious?

Have fun at the races.  Watching a WC speed event is special. I enjoy watching them in Pete's Arena at the Birds of Prey.
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