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post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
I've never been able to get enthused about the upcoming "Last Major" the PGA Championship. It's just too similar to sooo many other PGA limited field tournaments. There is just nothing unique, and, I get sick of hearing my local Pro say it's the most important because it's sponsored by the PGA. The PGA still gets the Ryder and Presidents cup.

While I'd never advocate a 5th major, I'd propose having the Tour Players Championship at Sawgrass become the the 4th Major. Great golf course that is very familiar to viewers, so like the Masters, the course remains the same. Nice fit between the Masters and the US Open. The Majors would end with the British Open which is a great unique event, I view it as the World's Open in homage to the birthplace of golf.

What do you think? Never happen, but, just thinkin'.
post #2 of 15
The opens and the Masters are unique in their traditions, the PGA got tossed into the list perhaps for its lack of sponsorship. 

Any time you have a sporting event where a winner walks away with a million dollars or more, that is pretty darned major IMHO. 

Every week qualifies, they are all majors any more.
post #3 of 15
Ironically Jack Nickaus once said the PGA was the major he most wanted to win.  I was puzzled by that because I always thought of it as a step down from the rest.  The venues chosen aren't always steeped in tradition.  Having said that, the only major I ever attended was the 1997 PGA at Winged Foot.  On Sunday I sat in the rain in the stands right behind Davis Love III as a beautiful rainbow emerged and he putted to wrap up his first and only major win.

The only major venue I've ever played was the Old Course at St. Andrews.  It was on the 4th of July 2001 and I was on my honeymoon.  What a thrill to play on such hallowed grounds.
post #4 of 15
I think there was a time when the PGA was considered to have the strongest field. The Players has that honor today. That may have explained the Bear's feelings or maybe since he won so many he thought it only polite to say that.
post #5 of 15
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Originally Posted by steveturner View Post

I think there was a time when the PGA was considered to have the strongest field. The Players has that honor today.

The major difference is that my fellow PGA Club Professionals can earn their way into the PGA whereas the Players is strictly for tournament players from around the world.
post #6 of 15
The "Majors" has always been an artificial construct at best.  The orginal Grand Slam was Jone's winning of the both Opens: British and US, and both amatuers: British and US.  He was, I believe, the only one to accomplish it.  I had always thought the PGA was first considered golf's 4th Major because it was first played in a match play format and was one of the few events in that format and attracted the best field of the events played using the match play format.  That and it's timing nearer the end of the golf season made it work better for marketing purposes.  Personally, I'd like to see the PGA go back to match play. 
post #7 of 15
Thread Starter 
Per Wikipedia: "It is difficult to determine when the current definition of Grand Slam changed to include the current four tournaments, although many trace it to Arnold Palmer's 1960 season, when after winning the Masters and the U.S. Open to start the season he remarked that if he could win the Open Championship and PGA Championship to finish the season, he would complete "a grand slam of his own" to rival Bobby Jones's 1930 feat"

I think the above makes sense in how the PGA came to be considered as a major. In that time, the PGA ruled supreme in Americian professional golf, and, the tournament they hosted almost had to be included among the most prestigious events.

The PGA course selection is always a very difficult golf test, without the ticked up conditions of the Open. The seem to love Hazeltine, Valhalla, Oak HIll etc. which are very long traditional courses. This year 99 or the top 100 golfers are playing, so the field is as strong as possible for the touring pro's.

The PGA needs a major improvement in the marketing of the event. Their philosophy is "hold it  and they will come". How does it get scheduled the week after a WGC event? The PGA owes a big "thank you" to Tiger for winning the past 2 weeks, and, having the Tiger buzz as part of the event, elsewise, it's just another tournament.
post #8 of 15
I'm a little lost in this thread, but let me jump in with both feet.....
I witnessed a little of what happens at these type of events, though not on the same scale as the Majors, when I attended the Buick Open the past two years.
Without marketing, there is no real draw, even Tiger with all his followers can not draw the people consistently.

When you attend one of these events, the cameras are on the most intriguing holes to watch, and will cover all the pros as they come through, which means you have a better view from your sofa.

What really got my juices flowing when I was THERE, was the smell of the grass and the vibe you get from the different pros.
There is most definitely something different about each one and how they carry themselves on the course.

I can do without the cigar smoke and the punk attitude that some bring to the event.  I almost wish there were a dress code to bring back the etiquette.
That being said, I will miss the Buick Open.

On to the PGA Championship.......
I will be on the edge of my overstuffed rocker watching on the big screen.  I may even mow my lawn and keep my windows open so I can smell the fresh cut grass to set the mood.
post #9 of 15
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post

I'm a little lost in this thread, but let me jump in with both feet.....
I witnessed a little of what happens at these type of events, though not on the same scale as the Majors, when I attended the Buick Open the past two years.
Without marketing, there is no real draw, even Tiger with all his followers can not draw the people consistently.

When you attend one of these events, the cameras are on the most intriguing holes to watch, and will cover all the pros as they come through, which means you have a better view from your sofa.

What really got my juices flowing when I was THERE, was the smell of the grass and the vibe you get from the different pros.
There is most definitely something different about each one and how they carry themselves on the course.

I can do without the cigar smoke and the punk attitude that some bring to the event.  I almost wish there were a dress code to bring back the etiquette.
That being said, I will miss the Buick Open.

On to the PGA Championship.......
I will be on the edge of my overstuffed rocker watching on the big screen.  I may even mow my lawn and keep my windows open so I can smell the fresh cut grass to set the mood.
 
Nice assessment.  You've summed up the experience very well.  Sure, you can get better overall "viewing" sitting on the couch but it's fun to watch the guys and ladies who really know what they're doing.  A few years back I walked nine holes watching Annika Sorenstam play in western Massachusetts.  Her accuracy was amazing.

As recently as the mid eighties, the "majors" were considered six events with the US and British Amateurs still included.  There was a distinction between the majors and the "professional majors".  Nowadays, the amateur events seem to have been dropped but that's just my observation.  Golf Digest used to publish an annual list of all-time major winners and John Ball always ranked fairly high with nine victories:  Between 1888 and 1912 he won eight British Amateurs and one British Open.  If you include the amateur majors, Jack has won 20 and Tiger 17.  Neither won the British Amateur and I'm unaware if either ever played in it.  Tiger (if my memory serves me correctly) won three consecutive US Junior Championships followed by three consecutive US Amateurs.  With his three US Opens, he probably holds the record for USGA titles.  I'm too lazy to look it up but this sure seems plausible.

Unrelated:
My driver and I had a talk. It needed a rest so it's taking a sabbatical in the garage. An ancient 3 wood was called into duty and things finally clicked at last night's league. Missed two short par putts but still shot a one-over 36. Too early to declare the slump is over....
 
post #10 of 15
I remember reading someone's comment that Jones' slam will never be duplicated because today it's logistically impossible.  I'm not sure why that would be the case unless it has to do with qualifying events overlapping with the actually championships, that is you would have to be over in Britain playing in a qualifing tournament for either the Open or the Amatuer at the same time that you would have to be here in the states doing the same thing or playing in the actual event.  Seems a pity that it can't be done although I suspect that even if it could be done, there would be too much money waiting to be earned on the pro tour for anyone that good to stay an amatuer long enough to actually accomplish it.
post #11 of 15
 Is it me, or was there diminished discussion about the PGA Championship?
I watched a little of it on TV but not enough to keep track, because life was happening in my corner of the world and was out doing stuff.
Still, I didn't get as excited about following this weekend as I did the Masters, US Open and British Open.

It was much more exciting to go out and play my own 18 holes. 
post #12 of 15
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Unrelated:
My driver and I had a talk. It needed a rest so it's taking a sabbatical in the garage. ...... 


what did you say??  I had that conversation friday before my  league round , took along a second driver to shame mine into submission, had just horrible results on 4 of the 5 driving holes with the 'scab', then took out mine and popped a great shot on the final hole---but the damage was already done --- to that rounds score anyway--- I do think I got my drivers attention tho.....
post #13 of 15
It was said on TV that 99 out of the top 100 were playing at the PGA. If that's correct then it's by far the toughest field.
post #14 of 15
I think the Masters is the most popular "Major" as well as the toughest. Mostly because it's the first of the year and played at the same course every year. Augusta is a course that if you have a record of playing well there, you continue to do so. Some players play better at certain courses. Look at Tiger at Firestone. Phil always plays well at Augusta. Davis Love at Harbortown etc. Playing the Open and the PGA at different courses over the years actually makes it a more even playing field for those who don't play good at certain courses.

Tiger didn't get beat this weekend. He beat himself. Realistically, you aren't playing against other golfers. You are playing against the course. Even though everyone doesn't see it that way. Tiger does. And his approach to the game makes him second to none.

it was good to see him lose, good for golf that is.
post #15 of 15
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Originally Posted by steveturner View Post

It was said on TV that 99 out of the top 100 were playing at the PGA. If that's correct then it's by far the toughest field.
The PGA has the strongest field of the 4 majors, but I think the Players also gets most of the top 100 without having 20 teaching pros, so many consider it is a stronger field from top to bottom.


Edited by MEfree30 - 8/18/2009 at 09:44 pm GMT
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