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Softest SL skis

post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
I'm looking for a new pair of slalom skis for my 14 year old daughter.  She is 5'5" and 102 lbs, and is a finesse skier, not surprisingly. I really want a soft ski that she can bend given her light weight and style.

I had intended by buy her a pair of Rossi/Dynastar 150 cm junior skis, but when we went to look at them they were way too stiff (interestingly, the 145 were perfect, but simply too short; apparently Rossi changes the layup of their 150 cm skis to stiffen them up).  

So, I'm looking for the most flexible 155 cm slalom ski I can find for her. The shop had a couple options for her: 1. the Dynastar Omeglass WC, but they were still pretty stiff; and 2. the Dynastar Course SL (which they say is the ski that actually is skied by many of the WC athletes).  The Course SL was very nice and flexible, but VERY expensive.  I've tried to find them elsewhere, but can't seem to find them anywhere on the net.

Any ideas or suggestions for a nice, flexible slalom ski?

Thanks,
Bill
post #2 of 24
The non-WC version of the Racetiger (racestock) is fairly soft. You might want to look into those.
post #3 of 24
Are you looking for a junior or adult ski? RaceSkis.com has 150cm Volkl RaceTiger JR SL available for a very nice price. Volkl juniors have a medium flex. I recommend looking for some Fischer juniors as well. I think they will have the flex you are looking for. My son is now 17 and has raced for the last 5 years. I have learned some of this the hard way.

Karl
Edited by orionxprss - 8/2/2009 at 04:19 pm GMT
post #4 of 24
Actually, the Racetigers are so soft that I shattered the sidewall on my pair earlier this year while training with CSC. Like pieces of the sidewall just vanished, leaving the core exposed ;). On that note, they were really too soft for me, and I ended up skiing on Bizzards for the rest of the year.
post #5 of 24
And don't go with 150s. They won't be compliant next year when she is a II.
post #6 of 24
Thread Starter 
 I think at this point, we're looking at an adult ski.  The problem is that even with soft junior skis, they firm up the 150.  

BTW: we've looked at the Volkl and the Fischer junior skis and they are both way too stiff for her  . . . 

Any other suggestions?

I may just bite the bullet on the Dynastar Course SL's, but its tough to drop $1k on skis for your little girl, when you've been used to getting them for less than half that . . . no matter how hard I try, I guess I can't keep her from growing up.

Thanks again,
Bill
post #7 of 24
Are you sure the Volkls were the racestock, not the WC? The WC skis are pretty stiff, but the racestock are not. I have a pair of Volkl P70 SL's that are also pretty soft (actually, softer than my old SL skis) that are 156's. Those are really fun to ski on every now and then.
post #8 of 24
Quote:
 I think at this point, we're looking at an adult ski.  The problem is that even with soft junior skis, they firm up the 150.  

BTW: we've looked at the Volkl and the Fischer junior skis and they are both way too stiff for her  . . . 

 
I'm confused. The junior Volkls and Fischers are too stiff, so you are going to put her on an adult ski? The Volkl and Fischer slalom juniors are two of the softer and more responsive skis out there for kids. Keep in mind that the adult skis are built for more muscular, more aggressive and heavier racers therefore they will be much stiffer than any junior out there. Also, most adult slaloms only come as short as a 155cm. Good luck in your quest.

Karl
post #9 of 24
Does she need them for racing or just for free skiing? I buy my kids skis seconhand for about 100usd including bindings but they are doing the local club races only. The most popular skis are the Fischers and the Heads. They both are pritty soft in jr lengths. By no means should a 14y old girl ski with adult racing skis.
post #10 of 24
Thread Starter 
 Just to be clear, she is a racer; she skied for her high school last year as a 7th grader; she is a relatively accomplished skier/racer, but is simply not terribly heavy or powerful; which is why I'm looking for a soft SL ski for her.  

Unfortunately, the 150 cm junior SL skis are all very stiff.  Yes, stiffer than the Dynastar 155 cm race stock skis.  What I guess I'm discovering is that race stock skis are actually softer than the "normal" WC SL ski you see in most shops . . . thanks for all the insight.

In addition, the length difference between the 150 and 155 is so minimal, I'm not that concerned.  The 155's come to the bridge of her nose, while the 150's are to her upper lip. And since the race stock 155's are so much softer, I guess I'm going to bite the bullet on the race stock skis.

Bill
post #11 of 24

Can you explain a bit about the 145 cm skis being perfect, but just too short?

 

If your daughter's goal is performance in a race course, 145 would be a length for SL that I would recommend for her size, and assuming her ability level is roughly typical for a 14 yo with a few years' racing experience.  A 150 cm ski might feel a bit better free skiing, but race results would likely suffer, especially for a finesse skier.  A 155 is going even further away from the right racing ski.

 

Your experience with the 155 cm FIS ski is different than what I've experienced.  I had a group of 13 yo girls demoing skis, including the Dynastar & Rossi womens FIS skis at 155 cm.  The girls had a great time free-skiing with the adult ski, but it was too stiff to hold a clean edge in a race course. 

RiseToTheTop mentioned an interesting point about J2 regs.  Two thoughts come to mind:

1) Check with your local program to see how strict they are regarding compliance with equipment regulations.  In my area (S.Ont.)  our 15/16 year old J racers are not required to meet full FIS requirements.

2) Even if your daughter will be required to be on full FIS-compliant equipment as a 15 year old, you won't be doing her any favours by putting her on a FIS ski a year early. 

post #12 of 24
USSA has the same J2 rules for slalom! 15 YO women = Minimum 155cm length and 60mm waist. No sidecut rule!

Check out Head iSupershape in a 155cm oor  Head iWC SL in a 155.

I guarantee they are nowhere near as stillf as the i.SL  RD
Edited by Atomicman - 8/13/2009 at 02:58 am GMT
post #13 of 24
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post

USSA has the same J2 rules for slalom! 15 YO women = Minimum 155cm length and 60mm waist. No sidecut rule!

Check out Head iSupershape in a 155cm oor  Head iWC SL in a 155.

I guarantee they are nowhere near as stillf as the i.SL  RD
Edited by Atomicman - 8/13/2009 at 02:58 am GMT

Actually its 63mm now... jeeze, get it right mann!
post #14 of 24
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Originally Posted by nd89sc88 View Post

 I think at this point, we're looking at an adult ski.  The problem is that even with soft junior skis, they firm up the 150.  

BTW: we've looked at the Volkl and the Fischer junior skis and they are both way too stiff for her  . . . 

Any other suggestions?

I may just bite the bullet on the Dynastar Course SL's, but its tough to drop $1k on skis for your little girl, when you've been used to getting them for less than half that . . . no matter how hard I try, I guess I can't keep her from growing up.

Thanks again,
Bill
If she's on a race team most local shops will give you at least a 25% discount.
post #15 of 24
Was the June '09 draft  approved???

63MM is for WC. looks like 15+ YO USSA/FIS ENL may increase to 63MM,  Do you have the final regs?
post #16 of 24
Specifications for Competition Equipment and Commercial Markings Edition 2009/2010:
http://www.fis-ski.com/data/document/edition20091.pdf

(Just recently added in the Quick Links section at the bottom of the FIS home page)
post #17 of 24
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post

Was the June '09 draft  approved???

63MM is for WC. looks like 15+ YO USSA/FIS ENL may increase to 63MM,  Do you have the final regs?

Yes, the '09 draft was approved by USSA. The only part that is pending review is the 21m GS radius rule.
post #18 of 24
It's academic anyway. the skis I suggested are wider then 63mm at the waist. Hell even my old i.SL Rd from a couple seasons back are 63mm at the waist and 2 year old SL12's are 65mm.
post #19 of 24
Yea, most skis are wide enough except DH skis. My DH boards just happen to be 66mm, not 67. Pisses me off that I can't use them next year. I never got to use them for an actual scored race :(. Only training, freeskiing, and citizens DH races.
post #20 of 24
I know that does suck! Just think not too long ago a 67MM ski was a "Mid-Fat", now it's a Downhill????
post #21 of 24
I know, I don't understand why a wider ski in DH is "safer", esp 1mm.
post #22 of 24
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Originally Posted by nd89sc88 View Post

 Just to be clear, she is a racer; she skied for her high school last year as a 7th grader; she is a relatively accomplished skier/racer, but is simply not terribly heavy or powerful; which is why I'm looking for a soft SL ski for her.  

Unfortunately, the 150 cm junior SL skis are all very stiff.  Yes, stiffer than the Dynastar 155 cm race stock skis.  What I guess I'm discovering is that race stock skis are actually softer than the "normal" WC SL ski you see in most shops . . . thanks for all the insight.

In addition, the length difference between the 150 and 155 is so minimal, I'm not that concerned.  The 155's come to the bridge of her nose, while the 150's are to her upper lip. And since the race stock 155's are so much softer, I guess I'm going to bite the bullet on the race stock skis.

Bill
 

  If you are interested.........my wife dicided to "try" the 150 non-race stock Stockli WC ski last season.  the experimnet lasted ~2 runs as she was bending the daylight out of them.  She wanted a little quickler ski for the tighter courses than her standard 155 cm skis ; in the end she found that is was not good going b/w skis.  The flex is like butter & they have the full on hot box treatment & an Edgewise tune.  If a soft flexing 150 is what you seek, I'd be happy to work out a deal.
post #23 of 24
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Originally Posted by Rise To The Top View Post

I know, I don't understand why a wider ski in DH is "safer", esp 1mm.

that much slower to hook-up... also a little more sluggish side to side, slows everything down a tad. It's still a marginal difference, but a difference none the less.
post #24 of 24
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Originally Posted by nd89sc88 View Post



the Dynastar Course SL (which they say is the ski that actually is skied by many of the WC athletes).  The Course SL was very nice and flexible, but VERY expensive. 

Any ideas or suggestions for a nice, flexible slalom ski?

Bill

I have a great suggestion........Course SL 155 new in plastic $499.

Yes it IS..............

SJ
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