Thanks for the help.
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Thanks for the help.
|Originally posted by nolo:
My advice: get your daughter some poles and let her copy the big kids, but do not ask for a lesson on pole usage until her skiing enables it.
My son started skiing last year at 3 and began clamoring almost immediately for poles. My instinct is to MAKE him ski maybe another full season without them. But if he keeps clamoring, should I just give in? Is there any disadvantage to learning early with poles?
Could this be a chicken and egg question from 2003? Does the kid progress faster with the poles, or does the kid progress faster without the poles (that may in the way) for the time being? An instuctor in a group lesson decided my then 5-year old was ready for poles, but after the first day he was stabbing the snow, sometimes starting a turn with the wrong pole. The next day I skied a couple of hours with the little guy having him try some double pole plants, which he agreed to do after telling him that's what Bode does in the GS. His hands stayed forward and he started to swing instead of stab the poles. A few days later he took another lesson and the single pole plant then made sense. The new instructor was a really interesting 60-something guy that was more interested in results than using a teaching method. He had my son play games like "punch the bad guy" after planting the pole to keep his hand forward. At first, the poles made him ski worse. Then the poles made him better. His hands never dropped back again.
Nice. The quote is more like, "If poles were so important, we would call it poling instead of skiing."
I agree with the above though. The one big advantage of poles at early stages is moving on the flats and stopping at the lift line to get on the chair.
Also, for the poles themselves, the best poles - most functional that is, allow one to put the top of the pole in the palm of the hand. Way too many kids poles, and a fair number of adult poles, have a top of the handle that is a large circle or hexagon or pentagon. It's nigh impossible to fit it into the palm. This doesn't allow them to push behind their feet with their poles in an easy, strong manner when ascending up in herring bone fashion. It also prevents doing a bullfighter turn which is useful to change the way you're pointing without going downhill.
This is my huge peeve about poles that isn't addressed by the industry. One could simply cut the tops off most of these things. Most racing poles for kids allow the palm in the hand for tucking. Get those or cut and grind the tops off the others.
Here's Scotts "Notch Strike Grip" - for adults. They make junior Notch Grips also. Note the small top. This works in the palm. This type is what you want
Here's the Junior Notch Grip. This will work like above for kids.
The Junior Notch Grip is our Notch Strike Grip modified for smaller hands.
Put down your video games, grab onto the Joystick grip and go skiing. SCOTT’s anatomically engineered Joystick Grip is the answer for smaller hands.
About time someone asked the kids opinion. I still remember getting on skis the first time, when I was four or five. I wanted poles. I would have been pissed if I couldn't have any. They gave me poles and I had so much fun that all I wanted to do was ski from then on.
My daughter has been the opposite. She has been skiing since 4 and is 9 now. This is the first year that poles haven`t gotten in her way and/or that she didn`t want to give them back to me after a run or two (even if she had asked for them at the start of the day). Before going out this season, I had her jump on a mini tramp with poles and I think this helped her get used to them. Unfortunately, it seems as if she wanted to ski a lot more during the years that she wasn`t using poles than she does now.