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post #31 of 43
Can't wait to demo some more 2010 skis !  Demoed GREAT pair of 2010 Blizzard Magnum 8.1 IQ Max and another GREAT pair of 2010 Dynastar Legend Sultan 80's this past April (posted a review on Epicski in April) !!!  Definitely will be doing some more demos and and posting reviews as soon as the snow starts falling.  Picked up a pair of K2 Apache Recon's AND K2 Apache Outlaw's last weekend - just couldn't pass up a good deal on last years model - never skied either of them yet.  For now...just looking at my skis and dreaming...
post #32 of 43

I think a good buyers guide is certainly helpful - it'll let you know what what's new on the scene in terms of dimensions and construction, and what kind of skiing and conditions the ski is designed for.  At the very least, you get to see the latest graphics so you'll know how out of style your old skis will look at the resort - if that matters to you. You gotta start somewhere - and the buyers guide is usually a good place to start.  I agree 100% that you absolutely should demo skis before you buy !!!  Good reviews are helpful in narrowing down some skis you want to demo.  For most people, it's really not practical to demo all that many skis - so do a litle homework in the buyers guide and reviews, than start demoeing and get off to a great season.  That being said, this is the second time I broke my rule about demoeing skis before you buy (no, actually 3rd if I go all the way back to my college days and the 1st pair of used Rossi's I paid $15 for).  Four years ago, I got a screamin end-of-season deal on a pair of Rossi's - they were absolutely the wrong ski for me - used them for several years and swore I'd never buy a pair of skis again without demoeing them first.  Than, what do you think happened ?  Last weekend, I got another screamin deal of a lifetime on a pair of K2 Recons AND K2 Outlaws - too good a deal that I couldn't pass it up.  At least this time, I knew these skis had great reviews.  I also rationalized my purchase that if I didn't like them that much after I skied on them, I could just pass them on to my 15 year old son, or sell them and recoup  most of my cost.  I was already planning on passing on my lousy Rossi's to my son - so if I pass down a new pair of Recon's or Outlaws, it makes me that much better of a dad - don't you think? The Rossi's can than go to Goodwill and I can take the charitable deduction on them.  Just a note - I have nothing against Rossignol, and I'm sure they have some pretty good skis - just not the ones I purchased.  I'm too embarassed to tell you the model - suffice it to say that I paid $7 for them - BRAND NEW - enough said! Anyway, Check out the buyers guides and reviews, demo some skis, than purchase the skis that will make you a better skiier - and have more fun  -and keep you looking up to date.

post #33 of 43
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I think a good buyers guide is certainly helpful - it'll let you know what what's new on the scene in terms of dimensions and construction, and what kind of skiing and conditions the ski is designed for.  At the very least, you get to see the latest graphics so you'll know how out of style your old skis will look at the resort - if that matters to you. You gotta start somewhere - and the buyers guide is usually a good place to start.  I agree 100% that you absolutely should demo skis before you buy !!!  Good reviews are helpful in narrowing down some skis you want to demo.  For most people, it's really not practical to demo all that many skis - so do a litle homework in the buyers guide and reviews, than start demoeing and get off to a great season.  That being said, this is the second time I broke my rule about demoeing skis before you buy (no, actually 3rd if I go all the way back to my college days and the 1st pair of used Rossi's I paid $15 for).  Four years ago, I got a screamin end-of-season deal on a pair of Rossi's - they were absolutely the wrong ski for me - used them for several years and swore I'd never buy a pair of skis again without demoeing them first.  Than, what do you think happened ?  Last weekend, I got another screamin deal of a lifetime on a pair of K2 Recons AND K2 Outlaws - too good a deal that I couldn't pass it up.  At least this time, I knew these skis had great reviews.  I also rationalized my purchase that if I didn't like them that much after I skied on them, I could just pass them on to my 15 year old son, or sell them and recoup  most of my cost.  I was already planning on passing on my lousy Rossi's to my son - so if I pass down a new pair of Recon's or Outlaws, it makes me that much better of a dad - don't you think? The Rossi's can than go to Goodwill and I can take the charitable deduction on them.  Just a note - I have nothing against Rossignol, and I'm sure they have some pretty good skis - just not the ones I purchased.  I'm too embarassed to tell you the model - suffice it to say that I paid $7 for them - BRAND NEW - enough said! Anyway, Check out the buyers guides and reviews, demo some skis, than purchase the skis that will make you a better skiier - and have more fun  -and keep you looking up to date.


You loved the 8.1 Max's and bought Recons (w/o demoing)? These skis have completely different characteristics, the 8.1 Max is like a BMW and the Recon is like a Lexus, one likes to be be driven, the other likes to be ridden. It is amazing how often we sell out when it comes to price, don't feel bad, I have done it too but have been wrong more often than being right and ended up buying the item I really wanted in the end and having to make two purchases, and in the long run it ended up costing me more. 
post #34 of 43
Confession time for all us "summer sucks" folks:

Hello my name is "__________" and I bought a pair of __________________ without demoing b/c i got a screamin deal this summer.

Me:  June- New liberty hazmats $200-not so screamin but very good deal

heck we all fall of the wagon in the off season sometime..
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post #35 of 43
Why would anyone pay full retail for new skis based on a magazine ski test/review when they can get previous years' "new" skis for half price that have been reviewed multiple times by experts and regular skiers like on this site?  If you are going to buy a ski without demoing it, why not at least wait until other people have so you can make a semi-intelligent choice?  I know some people just have to have the latest and greatest, but I honestly believe that you can always find a good ski that fits your needs at a good price if you look around.  I have a friend that owns a ski shop and he claims that about 80% of his customers pay full retail for skis, which is a complete mystery to me, but obviously good for him.  There is always a danger of hot models selling out by the end of the season sales, but with the net you can usually track down something comparable, if not the same.

I usually make a spring ski trip to Salt Lake City to ski and there is one shop at the mouth of BCC that always has a 50% on all skis sale in April.  They invariably have an entire wall with tons of skis, and I have never not found something to satisfy me, so I will not be paying much  attention to the Buyer's Guides.  I'll wait for you folks to sort out what's good and what's not before I start my serious consideration of "new" skis.
post #36 of 43

Wise words from Mudfoot. 
  Why spend all that cash on this seasons skis? Spend it on Lift tickets, travel and a beer or two.

 Now where did I put last years buyers guide?

post #37 of 43
Hey all
- I participated in a Ride em & Rank em day this Spring, and tried a lot of 09-10 skis; I didn't however get to try the new Atomic ladies 'double decker - black & white, adv/expert ski, forget what they've called it..
Anyone know anything about this ski? I might be interested in a pair, but know nothing about them, other than all the other rankers that day loved them. Been looking online for info to no avail..
I want some real crud busters - I ski East mostly, but want a pair that can also handle thebig snow when we get to Tahoe every year.
Anyone?

PS - I'm PSIA and can get em pretty inexp from my pro group rep, so don't think I'm gonna be a tester at Atomic'sexpense..
post #38 of 43
re: buying older skis: just bought some 2006 stoeckli stormrider xl's....the same ski I fell in love with in 2006...for 389 shipped.

I'm with ya, not trying to say french skis are all noodles just that after all these years I know what I like: Austrian (germanic) skis. Skis that have metal and sandwich construction.

Bumps are nice to be able to ski, but I just had acl surgery so I don't care. I just want to be able to carve a set of rails and go back up the chair and look at them. The rest is a bonus, that is my requirement for happiness. When I tore my acl in 2006 I had a full Alpine Pass AND Squaw Pass and it was the last day in January. Life is too short for me to obsess about equipment anymore; I like to find what works and get miles.
post #39 of 43
  I just like the Gear guides as ski porn. I want to see what they look like and the shapes... I brush up on weird skis I'll never even ski, like intermediate women's. I like Ski Press's reviews best, they're comprehensive, use real adjectives, and cover nearly every ski made by the majors... everybody bitches about these every year, and everybody reads them cover to cover anyway. They stay in my WC all winter and I always wait till spring / summer to buy... what Mudfoot said...
post #40 of 43
re: mr. crab....yes, ski press' reviews are definitely the only ones I will even pay any attention to but I am no longer in the biz so don't run into them often.
post #41 of 43
Yeah - I know I fell off the wagon - caught up in the rush of  deal I just couldn't refuse.  But I also have the option of handing them down to my son or selling them if I really don't like them. Also, if I keep them, this will be the first time in my life that I will have more than a 1 ski quiver - at least I can impress my neighbors when I pull 3 or 4 pairs of skis out of the garage before deciding wich ones to bring to the mountain on any given weekend.

I still like the Blizzards. Still have my heart set on the 2010 8.1's - I've never paid even close to full price before - but I was thinking of paying close to that this season to get the Blizz's.  Now that I've got the Apache's and Outlaw's in my quiver, I can now wait till later in the season when the price goes down to get the 2010 8.1's - Yeah.. that's my new strategy!  But I do have to say, if there's a ski that you feel makes a big enough difference in your performance and/or enjoyment -get them at the beginning of the season - at any cost.  After all, you're already spending a lot of money to ski - and you've only got 80 to 90 winters to ski if you start young and live long enough!
post #42 of 43
 I can just hear it now Mr crabs  Mom banging on the bathroom door. " Crab, what are you doing in there with those ski Mags?" " "George get in here, The Boy is abusing himself again with with that awful ski Porn."

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  I just like the Gear guides as ski porn.
 
post #43 of 43

To demo or not to demo - I started back in the late 70s and it was hard to find demo's of the skis I thought I wanted.  I bought my first "real" ski (Dynastar Omeglass) because several of my friends who were good skiers had them.  The most I ever learned from a ski was a pair of racestock Squadra Corse GS that a patrol buddy bought and decided not to use - talk about not being able to demo - to this day I wonder if he knew what he was giving me.  They would severely punish mistakes, which at first were numerous, but my skiing improved hugely thanks to those planks.  OMG would those things rip when I was really on them, fastest thing I've ever run gates with if I could actually stay on course - wish I had kept them just for the memories.  One of the few skis I did demo was the Head SL (the blue ones, don't recall the year), they seemed good that day so I bought them, and ended up hating them - to this day the worst ski for my style I've ever experienced. 

I dropped out of the scene for about ten years (kids, etc. and that's when all the "old" skiis left the garage, although I kept the Explosive Rs and the Fischer tele's) - that first season back, four years ago, standing in lines on my 205s looking at the new gear, well, I didn't know what to make of it, so I figured I HAD to demo.  I checked out the mags, found this forum (thank you!), and narrowed my search.  The shop recommends a 170cm ski ????  I loved the Volkl Racetiger GS in a 175 - couldn't believe a ski shorter than what I learned on was that fast and stable.  But figured I'm older and slower, maybe not a race ski this time... the shop and I are sure its going to be the Volkl AC4 - but I demoed and was underwhelmed.  Several other likely cadidates, but they're either "blah" or checked out - "hey, I have this pair of Dynastar 8000s"  Well, OK, better than my old 205s for the rest of day...  they weren't even on my list, but I ended up buying them, they just put a smile on my face every run.  I've since added to the quiver, demoed before I bought, and the 8000s don't get out much.  So am I a demo convert?  Nope. I found a pair of Scott P4s for $200 still in the plastic, figured what the heck they sure sounded good reading the Epicski reviews.  I just LOVE this ski - they're now my every day ride.  My conclusion: demo if you can, its fun and informative - but if you're struggling, its probably not because you didn't demo and made a massive mistake.  I can appreciate differences between skiis, but at the end of the day I'm flabbergasted how good all of today's equipment really is.  Had I bought those AC4's, I would probably be writing to say how much I love them...

And the gear review magazines?  I'll be buying every one I can find, day-dreaming of the places I might go on the skis I might buy.

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