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post #121 of 131
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Originally Posted by Lars View Post

As much as I hate to say it, I think within 3 years, insurance regulations will require all skiers and riders, both employees and customers, will be wearing a helmet. And I also think we will be seeing helmets with higher crash standards.

I'm not for that.

I'll vote for higher crash standards.  Since my kids and I wear helmets, it would be better to wear ones that actually work.  Hope the mfgrs. can do it without increasing weight or size.

  
post #122 of 131

Let me rephrase that, I'm for higher crash standards for helmets, but I'm not for mandatory helmet use.

post #123 of 131
I can equate choosing to wear a helmet to choosing any other kind of gear that helps you ski better or avoid injuries..  Mandatory helmet rules (for ski area staff) make about as much sense (or not) as banning straight skis (because you may tire more quickly) or obsolete bindings (because of the obvious).  Heck, you don't have to wear gloves if you don't want to so what's the point of requiring helmets, shaped skis, or anything else that isn't absolutely necessary to ski?

By the way, a patrol jacket or pack with a cross on it isn't absolutely necessary either but no one complains about having to wear those.
post #124 of 131
I wonder why helmets are no longer required in skateboard competitions. Both the X-Games and the Dew Tour the competitors in the street comp do not wear helmets.

Makes it hard to require helmets for skiing on snow when you can skateboard(competition no less) on concrete without one.
post #125 of 131
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Originally Posted by Lars View Post

As much as I hate to say it, I think within 3 years, insurance regulations will require all skiers and riders, both employees and customers, will be wearing a helmet. And I also think we will be seeing helmets with higher crash standards.

I'm not for that.

Next thing, real skiers will be cited for pushing gapers off the lift when they try to lower the bar.
Then, civilization will collapse entirely.





post #126 of 131
Helmets or no helmets...hmmm. 

After 26 years of skiing, I finally went out and got one, or should I say my wife made me go get one.  Being new to the sport, the wife suggested she wanted to have a helmet after hearing all these horror stories.  Feeling like I would betray all the old school helmetless buddies, I said no way.  Ended up at REI that weekend, and after much duress, came away with a great looking/fitting helmet.  I'm very happy I was drug through that experience.  Two weeks later while I'm skiing Breckenridge, I enter a small park and have an out of control snowboarder completely take me out.  Smacked my head so hard I was seeing stars.  Had I not had a helmet...

...I won't finish that thought.  It's just like motorcycle riding - whether dirt or road.  Always wear a helmet.  It's actually pretty cool. 

Just my two-cents. 
post #127 of 131
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Originally Posted by CR0SS View Post

I wonder why helmets are no longer required in skateboard competitions. Both the X-Games and the Dew Tour the competitors in the street comp do not wear helmets.

Makes it hard to require helmets for skiing on snow when you can skateboard(competition no less) on concrete without one.
 

For this thread, one could also ask by way of analogy why the EMT's present @ the X games park comp weren't required to wear helmets, since it's possible that one could have fallen into this year's concrete bowl while providing assistance to a skater.   

The safety-nanny approach to helping a skater would be interesting to see:  helmet any medical staff up, maybe get a vertical rescue team to lower 4 or 5 of them into the bowl, employ maybe 10 police officers to establish a "safety perimeter," and then an hour later (a long time if you actually need assistance) have some safety consultant congratulate the rescuers on how "highly trained" they were and how they followed the very best procedures, and therefore how "right-thinking" and progressive they were.  Fortunately they're not there, yet.  (I'm not into the "walk-it-off" ethos of the X-games after really heavy slams, etiher, fwiw.)
post #128 of 131
I wear a helmet, so do my kids.  I feel that helmets should be mandatory until age 18.  Once your are a legal adult, decide for yourself.  I would support mandatory helmets laws for all, though.

As a few others posted, is the resort culpable, for not mandating that the patrollers wear helmets, knowing that helmets can protect from serious injury, or death.  An expirenced patroller, should also know the risk.

When i drove a package car for UPS, we were told, that whose fault the accident was was less significant that if it could have been prevented by the driver.

Kevin
post #129 of 131
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Originally Posted by TheSkier View Post

Always wear a helmet.  It's actually pretty cool. 

 

To further the hijacking of this thread from a serious topic (which, IMV, should be banned from Epic in August), TheSkier has hit on something here which has not yet been pointed out in the previous 28 helmet threads: helmets are cool.   All the real Bro wear them.  Stocking caps?  Remember that your mama made you wear one that matched your mittens... need I say more? 

Also, helmets are shiny and aerodynamic, which should help increase speed relative to high-air-friction stocking caps (think: low friction swim suits, Olympic medals, etc.).
 
Third, helmets have way better colors and "art" than stocking caps, even the best of which look like one of Mr. Roger's cardigans.

Finally, you can put stickers on helmets.  Ever tried to put a sticker on a stocking cap?  How long did it stay on? 

Up til now, everyone has framed the issue as "helmet or no helmet".  But the real issue is: do you want to be hip and cool (helmet) or drive your great uncle's Buick (stocking cap)?  

I rest my case. 

 
post #130 of 131
Just to put some perspective on skiing injuries & helmets.

Annual conference of European orthopaedists

Contrary to what people think skiing injuries are decreasing

Since 1979/80 there has been a 50% reduction per 1000 in injuries


Most frequent injuries were still ligament injuries of the knee.
The second most affected is the hip, followed by the shoulder.
Ten percent of the injuries affect the head.

Many skiers are exhausted after 2 hours so most injuries occur in the afternoon , fatiigue playing a big part.

http://tirol.orf.at/stories/366439/



In Austria they publish official figures

Austria November 2007 to October 2008

All though the number of people in the mountains is increasing the Fatality Trend is downwards.


http://www.alpinesicherheit.at/index.php?menuid=2313&detail=2313


Total 308 people died in the Mountains compared to 678 Road Deaths.

Most Fatalities are in the Summer (July & August) 84
Followed by Winter (January & February) 67

80% are Male victims .

Hiking & Mountaineering 96
Rock Climbing 22
Ski Touring 24


Totals
184 Austrians (60%)
79 Germans (25%)
45 Other Nations

By State
Tirol 115
Salzburg 50
Carinthia 37


On the Piste i.e Organised ski resorts.

Total 34 victims killed far fewer than the 47 killed in previous 2005/06
Of the 34 deaths in ski areas most people died of heart and circulatory failure with no previous accident (14 people),
12 were self-fatal injuries caused by falls or collisions with fixed obstacles.

Austria 2008/9 Piste Accidents

http://www.alpinesicherheit.at/index.php?menuid=2333

Significant decrease in collision accidents 26% on previous year.

44 People killed this is an increase in 10 Piste Deaths on previous season. 1 in 2 (23) are natural heart and circulatory failure.
9 people died after a crash without any external influence.
7 fatal accidents and collisions & in 5 cases, the person died after a collision with a fixed obstacle.



post #131 of 131

^^^ The stats consistently show that skiing and riding are for most people pretty safe, and that behavior is the main determinant of risk.  Or, that Austrians, not helmets, are the main risk issue ... j/k, j/k, those are absolute #s in Austria obviously...

It's also totally true that being cool is the main issue for helmets, at least 97% of the time.  Of course, you have to ask what social set on the hill you perceive yourself as being a member of to determine whether a helmet is cool, or not, and if cool, what type of helmet.  Do you ride a titanium road bike or a freeride MTB?...that type of thing.  As fashion choices it's all good.  Trying to create a definition of safety based on fashionable gear with no deeper background, not so much. 

 

 

 

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