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post #1 of 20
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On Friday nights during the Summer, there is a small local race series near me.  I can only make one of the races in the series so I can not contend for any sort of overall series title in this particular series.  So while I always race my singlespeed in the appropriate singlespeed class (i.e. typically just Singlespeed Open), tonight, I am going to sign up for the general Expert class and race my singlespeed against the geared guys.

It will be fun to race my SS against the Expert geared guys to see how I do, but also, the SS Open class only does 2 laps around this particular singletrack course, whereas the Expert class does 3 laps.  So this will also let me get an extra racing lap in (more bang for my buck I guess).

I think I can keep up with the geared guys, but it is going to be extremely difficult.  There is a relative long flat open stretch before we hit singletrack or any hills where these guys will be maching in their big ring and my only chance will be to get on their wheels and draft my ass off.  But once we get to the singletrack I should be able to keep pace and I know I will be able to beat them up the two major climbs that there are so we will see.

My biggest dilemma will be what gear to run.  I'll be racing my Ventana 29'er, and I usually do well on this course with a 34x16.  I'm thinking I may have to go to a 34x15 to keep up with these geared guys on the flats better, but since I'll be doing an extra lap tonight, I'm not sure my legs will be able to stay on top of a 34x15 for that last lap.  Hmm...I think I'll stick with 34x16 and just try not to get dropped too bad on the flats so I can hopefully real them in on the climbs.

We will see!!
post #2 of 20
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces View Post

I know I will be able to beat them up the two major climbs that there are so we will see.
 

Please explain. Why will fewer gears make you faster?
post #3 of 20
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Please explain. Why will fewer gears make you faster?

its doesnt, but it makes you min speed faster. Most gear guys take it too easy on uphills and spin to fast. On Singlespeed you have much higher Min speed than you do on a geared bike, if you can stay on top of that min speed you will beat geared riders most of the time.

At the sametime most SS guys could push alot bigger gear on geared bike and keep the ratio right for them all the ways around.

Either way good luck tyrone, I know your local series is double track, but if it was singletrack the easiest way to dispatch a Singlespeed rider is to hit the brakes randomly in a climb then pull away ;). I had this happen to me and its not fun.
post #4 of 20
Thread Starter 
Epic,

Generally speaking, when hitting these climbs, most geared riders will gear down and start spinning up them.  Where as I on my singlespeed carry more momentem up them, sprint my ass off to stay on top of my gear, and thus am generally faster up them.  Usually the only thing that slows me down is if I get stuck behind a pack of them and can't pass, which forces me to lose momentum, and then I start wasting energy trying to turn over a big gear when stuck at a lower speed. Regardless, climbing is what I am best at so the speed I carry up a hill may not be 100% attributable to my lack of gears.

I was just looking at some past race results from this series and lap times.  In the last race I did here my laps times on my SS were faster than the Expert geared guys in my age category (age 30 - 39).  So if I can stay strong and have enough energy to keep my speed up for a 3rd lap, I should do OK
Edited by Tyrone Shoelaces - 7/17/2009 at 09:14 pm GMT
Edited by Tyrone Shoelaces - 7/17/2009 at 09:15 pm GMT
post #5 of 20
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Either way good luck tyrone, I know your local series is double track, but if it was singletrack the easiest way to dispatch a Singlespeed rider is to hit the brakes randomly in a climb then pull away ;). I had this happen to me and its not fun.

 


Actually, this particular race series is mainly singletrack with a few short sections of double track thrown in for passing.  It's a different series than the one I was doing earlier this Spring (which has now ended).

And holy crap, that is true what you say above about the quickest way for a geared rider to dispatch a SS-er, by hitting the brakes.  I never had that happen to me, but now that I think about it, it would royally screw me.  haha.
post #6 of 20
 I know that some are skeptical, but I've been amazed at the things I can climb with ease and how quick I am with my SS.

Don't knock it until you've tried it.......I mean, REALLY tried it!
post #7 of 20
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Either way good luck tyrone, I know your local series is double track, but if it was singletrack the easiest way to dispatch a Singlespeed rider is to hit the brakes randomly in a climb then pull away ;). I had this happen to me and its not fun.

 

Not to give away all of my evil secrets....but if someone fudges too much, just give their derailleur a little nudge with your front wheel.

Considerable weight advantage to a SS. No shifters, cassette, derailleurs, cables.

Still stick'n with gears for now.
post #8 of 20
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Not to give away all of my evil secrets....but if someone fudges too much, just give their derailleur a little nudge with your front wheel.

Considerable weight advantage to a SS. No shifters, cassette, derailleurs, cables.

Still stick'n with gears for now.

With what parts cost, that's bull. I'd be seriously pissed.
post #9 of 20
 Good luck Tyrone. I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade. I hope you do well. All I'm sayin' is if you do, I think it's probably more the motor than the tranny that will be responsible. I'd like to think that guys racing in Expert are smart enough to know what gear will get them up the hill fastest.
post #10 of 20
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Well I guess it went well enough.  The competition was a bit watered down than normal as it was 105 degrees at our 6:30 PM start time !!  (we are in the middle of a heinous heat wave here).  So with the attrition from the heat,  there were only about 15 Expert class racers lined up at the start (including me).  I was the only guy there on a singlespeed (except for the other 10 singlespeeders who were racing in the singlespeed class that start 1 minute behind the expert class).

So anyway, I was able to snag 4th overall and 1st in my 30 - 39 age group.  So I'm pretty happy.  I didn't expect to win the whole thing as there are guys there who are just on another level than I am at the moment.  But I only finished about 10 seconds behind the guy who got 3rd overall and I was about 1:30 ahead of the 2nd place guy in my age group. 

So I'm pretty stoked.  Now it's time to go drink some beers  and celebrate the weekend with some lift served DH riding tomorrow.
post #11 of 20
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So I'm pretty stoked.  Now it's time to go drink some beers  and celebrate the weekend with some lift served DH riding tomorrow.

Northstar?
post #12 of 20
 Wow TS, Way to Rock the SS!!!
post #13 of 20
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With what parts cost, that's bull. I'd be seriously pissed.

I'm not talking about the normal banter. But when someone trys to make you eat tree....I ride very politely myself usually.
post #14 of 20
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Northstar?

actually no, Kirkwood.  There's an 8-hour race and some Super D's coming up there, that I want to scout the courses for.
post #15 of 20
 I didn't know Kirkwood has lift-served. Is the 8-hour a DH race or an XC?
post #16 of 20
Thread Starter 

The 8-Hour race is a XC.  A GNARLY XC...holy crap.  It's extremely technical for an 8-Hour race.  The event is called the Kirkwood  Nine-to-Five.

There's also a little bit of lift served DH runs at Kirkwood. Nothing as comprehensive at Northstar..it is quite smaller.  But what they do have is really fun.

post #17 of 20
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The 8-Hour race is a XC.  A GNARLY XC...holy crap.  It's extremely technical for an 8-Hour race.  The event is called the Kirkwood  Nine-to-Five.

There's also a little bit of lift served DH runs at Kirkwood. Nothing as comprehensive at Northstar..it is quite smaller.  But what they do have is really fun.


we need to get you to the east coast ;)
post #18 of 20
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we need to get you to the east coast ;)
 


Oh I know...remember, I grew up and spent 23 years on the East Coast.  That's where I learned to mountain bike.  I've ridden & raced all over Pennsylvania, West Virginia, and New York.

The technicality of the KW 8-hour course is equal to any rooty/twisty course out there I've been on.  Lots of loose rocks on narrow singletrack, tight fast turns above rocky exposure, steep rocky ups and lots of loose/shaley hairpin turns.  All at an elevation of about 8,500 feet average.  It's a mountain bikers course for sure....one I'm sure you would enjoy
post #19 of 20
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The times/results have finally been posted from this Fridays race/experiement.  Even though there were only 14 of us in Expert, I'm stoked that I was only 12 seconds out of 3rd overall on my SS!  Unforuntately, I was 2 minutes behind 2nd overall and 5 minutes behind the 1st overall guy, but I am OK with that.

The number in the first column is total time and the second column is average lap time for the 3 laps.

I think I will throw my SS into the ring against the geared guys more often now and try and get better.



Expert Male 19 and Under  3 Laps
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
1
71
2370
Kyle Luther
 
1:25:30
 
0:28:30
2
78
2411
Matt Mazzuca
 
1:32:06
 
0:30:42
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
Expert Male 20 - 29  3 Laps
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
1
57
2409
Matt Obregon
 
1:17:09
 
0:25:43
2
75
2420
Justin Cone
 
1:28:47
 
0:29:36
3
76
2374
David Miller
 
1:29:11
 
0:29:44
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
Expert Male 30 - 39  3 Laps
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
1
66
2276
Ron Shevock
 
1:21:26
 
0:27:09
2
70
2423
Kirk Edgerton
 
1:25:19
 
0:28:26
3
73
2263
Cabot O'Callaghan
 
1:27:24
 
0:29:08
4
77
2407
Steve Schmidt
 
1:31:03
 
0:30:21
5
81
2419
Jeff Sawyer
 
1:43:41
 
0:34:34
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
Expert Male 40 - 49  3 Laps
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
1
61
2354
Bob Delp
 
1:19:26
 
0:26:29
2
65
2252
Marty Cunninghma
 
1:21:14
 
0:27:05
3
80
2367
Shemp Howard
 
1:36:24
 
0:32:08
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
Expert Male 50 - 59  3 Laps
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
1
68
2410
Christopher Holmes
 
1:24:33
 
0:28:11
post #20 of 20
 If I ever need a blood transfusion, I'm going to request a unit from Tyrone Shoelaces!
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