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Airlines destroyed my wifes old skool skis (Rossi DV Pro). What to replace them with and how much to claim???

post #1 of 30
Thread Starter 
 Hi all,

This is my first post.  Obviously I am popping in here 'cause I need some help.  Hopefully some of you here won't mind helping me out even though I'm not an established community member.

I just got back from my wife's parent's place in France and we brought her skis back.  The airlines conveniently destroyed one of her skis despite the fact that they were in a hard sided lifetime warranty case.  They must've put several hundreds of pounds across them.  The skis were Rossi DV Pros, 183cm, 64mm sidecut.  About 88-90mm up front and about 75mm in back.  She's been renting here in the USA and clearly says she isn't keen on the whole fat ski thing and was really looking forward to having *her* skis again.  

I realize that they don't make 'em quite like this anymore but I think she'll be wanting to get close to the same feel and style that she enjoyed with her old skis.  We live in Southern Appalachia so that'll be our primary snow conditions (i.e. not enough of it).  She is an advanced to expert level skier.

Any suggestions on new skis that would fit the bill or a line on where to come across old stock or good condition used skis in that would suit her would be very appreciated.  Also very helpful would be info on how much I should be trying to get the the airlines to compensate us for the damage (i.e. how much it will cost to purchase the replacement skis and have the bindings swapped over).

Thanks very, very much to anyone that can help out.

-Michael

post #2 of 30
 Part of me wants to say she should pay them for doing her this favor.....  I know she doesn't want to hear that, though.
post #3 of 30
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

 Part of me wants to say she should pay them for doing her this favor.....  I know she doesn't want to hear that, though.

Ha!  That was my first thought too!!!

Really....  she doesn't want the same feel as those skis.  She just doesn't know it yet.
post #4 of 30
What He said!
If she wants a narrow ski, she should consider a cheater race ski, but there are sooooo many great carvers, and all mountain skis out there that perform well, she doesn't need to get a fattie if she doesn't want to, although she may change her mind about that as well.


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Ha!  That was my first thought too!!!

Really....  she doesn't want the same feel as those skis.  She just doesn't know it yet.
 
post #5 of 30
Welcome to the forum.

DV Pro, eh?    That's a little bit unusual to see here (i.e. not France); mostly what we got were DV 6s in various incarnations.
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Originally Posted by MFaughn View Post

 Hi all,

I just got back from my wife's parent's place in France and we brought her skis back.  The airlines conveniently destroyed one of her skis despite the fact that they were in a hard sided lifetime warranty case. 


Please, please, please post a picture of this.

Which bindings did she have on the old skis?  

I do completely understand that she just wants to use her current skills on skis that she feels comfortable on, without spending gobs of time and money on lessons and learning the new gear.
post #6 of 30
Michael you could contact Rossi Smash and ask him if he would part with any of these:



post #7 of 30
That yellow 9S is closest to what the OP is talking about.
post #8 of 30
Maybe you should make a video about it..

post #9 of 30
Thread Starter 
Thanks all very much.  

She is French -- thats why she has a French market ski I suppose.

I'll take a picture and see if I can post it.  I already took the bindings off.

She is not thrilled about fat skis.  I won't repeat what she had to say about the first couple of replies, as well meaning, honest or true as they may have been.  I will say that the way she skied on her old skis -- feet together, elegant, fluid, graceful -- is something I don't see much of at our little local slope (Cataloochee).  The only others I see doing it are a very few others with old style skis.  Granted its Cataloochee and we probably aren't experiencing a wide cross section of the skiing world.  Anyway, she likes skiing that way and wants skiis she can do it with.

I can't send a PM until I've posted three times.  So, here's a thanks to PJ for his PM:
Thanks so much for the reply and for researching too.  The kindness of strangers isn't a complete myth.  I have to haul myself back to the airport (3 counties away) to file the claim today and I'm glad to have something to go on.  I'd figured out that it would be a carving ski but most of those still seem fat by comparison.
-Michael

 
post #10 of 30
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Originally Posted by MFaughn View Post

Thanks all very much.  

She is French -- thats why she has a French market ski I suppose.

I'll take a picture and see if I can post it.  I already took the bindings off.

She is not thrilled about fat skis.  I won't repeat what she had to say about the first couple of replies, as well meaning, honest or true as they may have been.
 I will say that the way she skied on her old skis -- feet together, elegant, fluid, graceful -- is something I don't see much of at our little local slope (Cataloochee).  The only others I see doing it are a very few others with old style skis.  Granted its Cataloochee and we probably aren't experiencing a wide cross section of the skiing world.  Anyway, she likes skiing that way and wants skiis she can do it with.

I can't send a PM until I've posted three times.  So, here's a thanks to PJ for his PM:
Thanks so much for the reply and for researching too.  The kindness of strangers isn't a complete myth.  I have to haul myself back to the airport (3 counties away) to file the claim today and I'm glad to have something to go on.  I'd figured out that it would be a carving ski but most of those still seem fat by comparison.
-Michael

 

Contemporary skis does not necessarily mean fat skis.
There are many contemporary skis that are narrow enough to please her.
As I stated, look for something similar in the waist without too much taper
Like this Blizzard SonicIQ,
http://www.blizzardsportusa.com/Products/Women/VivaSonicIQ.html
post #11 of 30
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post

Contemporary skis does not necessarily mean fat skis.
There are many contemporary skis that are narrow enough to please her.
 

TC, you and Mfaughn are using the same word, 'fat'  with different meanings.    

Mme. MFaughn's  sense of the word 'fat ski' includes the width of the tips.    There are very, very few modern skis that will have tips narrower than 100mm, and those are likely to be specialty mogul/freestyle skis.

Let's say the MFaughns travel away for skiing two weeks per season.   That gives them a total season of, hmm, maybe 20-25 days?     If she doesn't have gear she is used to, there is a fair chance she will be miserable  for the entire season and fed up with the sport because she simply doesn't have time to build expertise on the new gear before the season is over.   This is bad.   Imagine a really good writer left without her manual typewriter and having to learn word processing right before a deadline.   Not good.   M. MFaughn did nothing to deserve that scene.

Far better we see if we can find her a reasonable facsimile of what she likes -and also- something more modern (over 110 mm at the tips) so she can dip a toe into modern style at her convenience. 

I think it is entirely possible that the folks on this forum can find something from that era to fit her, for negligible cost.    After which she can go play with whatever else she likes,  including truly fat (over 70mm waist ) skis.

Cue thread: WANTED: 90mm tip 183 cm semi-straight cap skis, damp moderately stiff core.

Will check basement tonight.
post #12 of 30
 I'm pretty sure, no matter how unhappy she is at losing her straight skis, that once she adapts to her new skis that she will come back on here and admit that she loves them.  This comes from someone skiing 37....errr,, no it's longer....it'll be my 39th season..., so I used to ski on the same stuff she did.  
post #13 of 30
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

 I'm pretty sure, no matter how unhappy she is at losing her straight skis, that once she adapts to her new skis that she will come back on here and admit that she loves them.  This comes from someone skiing 37....errr,, no it's longer....it'll be my 39th season..., so I used to ski on the same stuff she did.  

I don't disagree,  -once- that happens, -if- she chooses to have that happen.     Her choice, her fun.   
post #14 of 30
For the right price, I'll sell my Hart F17's 
Or check out Whiteroom at Skiershop.  IIRC they still have some Hart Mogul skis.


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TC, you and Mfaughn are using the same word, 'fat'  with different meanings.    

Mme. MFaughn's  sense of the word 'fat ski' includes the width of the tips.    There are very, very few modern skis that will have tips narrower than 100mm, and those are likely to be specialty mogul/freestyle skis.

Let's say the MFaughns travel away for skiing two weeks per season.   That gives them a total season of, hmm, maybe 20-25 days?     If she doesn't have gear she is used to, there is a fair chance she will be miserable  for the entire season and fed up with the sport because she simply doesn't have time to build expertise on the new gear before the season is over.   This is bad.   Imagine a really good writer left without her manual typewriter and having to learn word processing right before a deadline.   Not good.   M. MFaughn did nothing to deserve that scene.

Far better we see if we can find her a reasonable facsimile of what she likes -and also- something more modern (over 110 mm at the tips) so she can dip a toe into modern style at her convenience. 

I think it is entirely possible that the folks on this forum can find something from that era to fit her, for negligible cost.    After which she can go play with whatever else she likes,  including truly fat (over 70mm waist ) skis.

Cue thread: WANTED: 90mm tip 183 cm semi-straight cap skis, damp moderately stiff core.

Will check basement tonight.




 
post #15 of 30
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Originally Posted by comprex View Post

....... Cue thread: WANTED: 90mm tip 183 cm semi-straight cap skis, damp moderately stiff core..........


 


In other words, a ski that doesn't have an agressive side cut, which certainly tend to suite feet togther skiing much better than a lot of the high skis in recent years (especially from Volkl and Atomic). Something similar to the Stockli Stormrider L?
post #16 of 30
For better advice, you need to post a pic of the wife....

Man, that's a load of old school skis....can make a few chairs out of them bad boys...
post #17 of 30
The only thing I can think of that has that little sidecut is a SG or DH ski, but I don't think they make em that short ;). Mogul skis maybe? Wait, those are super soft...
post #18 of 30
 I think Comprex is suggesting one of us sell her cheap a pair of semi-shaped skis that is no longer in use. Probably most of us skied our semi-shaped skis into the ground, because those are the best skis for how most of us ski. My first pair of semis are the '04 K2 Superstinx I scored a couple years ago. My piste ski (and I only ski piste). Less the ten days on 'em, not ready to sell yet. Loving the elegant skarve. Narrow waisted semi shapes rule the tracked out icy groomers.
post #19 of 30
Cataloochie huh..  In central North Carolina we can usually find plenty of older (20 year old) straight skis in pretty good condition for anywhere between $10.00 and $50.00.  Craigslist, 2nd hand thrift stores and yard sales are the place to get those.  I'd think that western NC and eastern Tenessee would have even more around, but they may be more used.  I was a huge flatbed truck full of old straight skis in front of an antiques store in Boone on ly way out of town last spring.  A lot of what I find here has only been used a few times then stuck in a garage or closet for decades.  Farther west the skis might have actually been used.
post #20 of 30
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post

 I think Comprex is suggesting one of us sell her cheap a pair of semi-shaped skis that is no longer in use. Probably most of us skied our semi-shaped skis into the ground, because those are the best skis for how most of us ski. My first pair of semis are the '04 K2 Superstinx I scored a couple years ago. My piste ski (and I only ski piste). Less the ten days on 'em, not ready to sell yet. Loving the elegant skarve. Narrow waisted semi shapes rule the tracked out icy groomers.

I've got a pair of 193 cm K2 Fours (1998 version) with Markers on demo tracks.  These are immaculate, no ptex repairs or gouges.  I like them, but they don't get much attention.  I only skied them once after getting them from another person that didn't use them much.  I could be persuaded to part with them if it would make someone REALLY happy.  I hate shipping skis, but if she wants them you could send me an adequate box with return UPS shipping and I would send them your way. 

There are plenty of shorter K2 Fours of similar vintage on eBay right now, also with demo bindings delivered for under $100. 

NR LIQUIDATE Used K2 Four R 181cm Snow Skis w/bindings





post #21 of 30
 I never saw K2 Fours that looked like that. Are they legit? Your's don't look like that do they, CR? You've seen these French girls, they ski beautifully. She need the real Fours with blinking light still working.
post #22 of 30
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post

 I never saw K2 Fours that looked like that. Are they legit? Your's don't look like that do they, CR? You've seen these French girls, they ski beautifully. She need the real Fours with blinking light still working.
Mine still blink  And, my F-17s are probably closer to what OP would like than the new harts. but if TC wants to trade I'm in.
post #23 of 30
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post

Cataloochie huh..  In central North Carolina we can usually find plenty of older (20 year old) straight skis in pretty good condition for anywhere between $10.00 and $50.00.  Craigslist, 2nd hand thrift stores and yard sales are the place to get those.  I'd think that western NC and eastern Tenessee would have even more around, but they may be more used.  I was a huge flatbed truck full of old straight skis in front of an antiques store in Boone on ly way out of town last spring.  A lot of what I find here has only been used a few times then stuck in a garage or closet for decades.  Farther west the skis might have actually been used.
 
Just make sure to give them a thorough inspection on a flat surface.  And be sure to put on modern bindings. 
I'm afraid to ask...are her boot soles DIN standard or are they antiquated also? ?     I don't remember when the DIN standard was adopted for boots; perhaps others can help?
post #24 of 30
Thread Starter 
 Whoa!!! 
Thanks all for all the discussion and attention.  It must not be snowing in July...

So, pretty much Comprex has the situation nailed.  We have a three year old and another on the way.  We will not be getting many days skiing for the next several years.  Given a choice we'd actually go XC but here in Jackson Co., NC we don't enough coverage for that very often.  My son was sleeping in a Baby Bjorn at six weeks old as we kicked through the Sierras.  My wife says she can get down the hill on any ski.  She just really prefers the style she grew up skiing.  FWIW, she has often said that mogul skiing was pretty close to the top of her favorite type of DH skiing.
I don't think she is so much of a gearhead.  I am one but am a total noob at DH skiing so don't know jack.  Anyway, I know well enough not to buy her a pair of skis.  Very much appreciated for the push towards getting us fixed up.  I may resurrect this thread some months from now if we decide to try and get some help from y'all either finding some replacements or checking with you all to make sure that some yard sale find is indeed suitable.  We don't see a lot of skis used here because our community is just too darned small and not very affluent.  Very few garage sales and not much turnover in our few thrift shops.  I will stay on top of craigslist and our print ads.

I took some pics.  I put them on the web HERE.  I am curious about the bindings.  Is there any reason why they can't be mounted on another pair of skis?

I took them to the airport and got started on the claim.  Still have to finish the paperwork and send it to Delta.  The agent at the airport was pretty decent about it and seemed to think I would have a successful claim.  We'll see...

Thanks again for all the input and stuff,
Michael
post #25 of 30
Those Rossi FD bindings (hey, that's the old Geze toe!) were indemnified last season.     If you were to find a pair of the same width skis, there's no explicit reason you couldn't put them on there.  

If she would like yellow, I found a (slightly softer) pair of Nordica randonee skis (built by Elan) in the basement, never been drilled.  Won't be as damp or quite as stiff.    

(If not, I'll ski 'em )
post #26 of 30
I'm quite perplexed as to how they managed to do that to just one of the skis, while they were inside a hard case.  Regardless, I guess, good luck finding a suitable replacement for her and hopefully the claim comes through ok.
post #27 of 30
Thread Starter 
 Yea, I'm kinda confused too.  The skis were in the case opposite each other so maybe the front of the other ski flexed better??  I also have to wonder if the second ski suffered stress damage that isn't quite as obvious.  The case was actually a 20 year old Plano rod case (from back when they were still made well) with a lifetime warranty.  I can stand on it still, even at the point where it bent, and it doesn't budge.  Go figure...
post #28 of 30
I used to wrap my skis in about 2 and a half inches of rolled newspapers with some between the bases then duct tape then ski bag them when I checked them. I've worked in the luggage business in the past and seen some pretty FUBAR airline damage in the past.  If I get in a position to fly to a ski destination I will probably take my older ones or ship newer ones via a different carrier.  What is so messed up is that why can the post office and UPS do so much better with the gear.  Doesn't the post office send the packages via commercial carriers?  They take better care of the post office stuff in cardboard boxes than they do with their passengers' stuff in bulletproof containers.  That's just plain wrong!
post #29 of 30
Thread Starter 
 I'm pretty sure the post office packs their own air cargo containers that just slide into the plane.  Baggage handlers just throw stuff in there any old way.  Working in the heat of a July tarmac in Atlanta I can imagine that I might start being less than attentive towards 6pm myself...and that is about when the skis passed through their hands.  

Anyway...I bought 4 pairs of skis today at a yard sale.  $10 total.  Some Rossi 4S like whats in the pic above, Atomic ARC SL, Fischer RC4, and Nishizawa (?) Formula Supreme somethings.  They are all a tad longer 200-205-ish than what she had.  I'm also not sure they will fit her boots.  Binding on three of them look correct but perhaps too far apart???  is it reasonable to swap or remount bindings or is there a structural issue with having those holes in there?  I would imagine that there is a proper way to fill them.

Thanks again for all the input,
Michael
post #30 of 30
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Originally Posted by MFaughn View Post

 Anyway...I bought 4 pairs of skis today at a yard sale.  $10 total.  Some Rossi 4S like whats in the pic above, Atomic ARC SL, Fischer RC4, and Nishizawa (?) Formula Supreme somethings.  They are all a tad longer 200-205-ish than what she had.  I'm also not sure they will fit her boots.  Binding on three of them look correct but perhaps too far apart???  is it reasonable to swap or remount bindings or is there a structural issue with having those holes in there?  I would imagine that there is a proper way to fill them.

Thanks again for all the input,
Michael

Which bindings are on there?     I would probably prefer those Rossi ones.
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