Wrong thread, right forum and site.
This thread was started by RTTP to discuss his specific pair of skis. I'll gladly discuss construction techniques with anyone on this forum, but I don't think this thread is the place to debate construction and design.
I feel like took offense to the fact that RTTP has these skis, and after apologizing he began to dump on custom/indy manufacturers in general. I'm not asking him to stop posting, I'm asking him to take the time to become familer with a company before he starts stating things that could potentially hurt them.
Originally Posted by davluri
RTTT, apologies. and good luck in your pursuit of ski knowlege.
I have no gripe with this kind of thing, you guys may well learn how to make great skis, some day. .
But, I do get pissed when so many new ski companies, domestic or not, have the arrogance and gaul to suggest they have made a good ski with a couple years experience. It is insulting to anyone (or company) that has spent a lifetime honing their skills and expanding their knowlege. It''s like saying, that looks easy, I'll work on it a little while and make one also, only better.can't be done. what ever happened to making something, testing it, improving it, testing it, improving it ......and not selling it until you are satisfied with the product.
that's respect and integrit
edit: some new companies would like to be appreciated for new ideas they bring to the industry. and at best, that may happen, but a chopped off tip doesn't make it progress.
But where it is most significant, the structure of the ski, they are waaaaaay back with the original wet wrap skis like the first K-2's. So some new companies are really about 50 years behind. Play catch up and play hard or you'll just always be on the heels of companies with 100 Xs more experience.
Originally Posted by davluri
I am reacting, I think I said it somewhere, because it is insulting to any person who makes something with their hands and their machines to say you are making a comparable product straight out of nowhere. nowhere skis
. nowhere man
In my business, if a potential client says to me that he can make a table (as he has some tools and some wood), but how much do I charge, I know that that client will be unwilling to pay a price that is appropriate for the value of the product. That is because they have already expressed that they feel the product is simple to understand and easy to make without experience or skill, in that they have neither, and think they can make a table.
Same with the skis. Wet wrap=crap, and most 'new' skis are wet-wrap fiberglass construction, not cured fiberglass lamination
. Is your core milled to shape, or laminated, or pre-stressed in a form? What are the properties of your adhesive? did you buy it at a general plastics supply store? or did you have it formulated by chemical engineers to optimize the flex and dampening characteristics your ski requires? and so on for every step of the process and each material used.
Skis are wierd. A pile of material configured like a ski may look exactly like a ski without having any of the performance qualities of a ski. The technology is expensive and complicated. It takes generations to develop a ski with a unique, positve feel to it. That's why you can say that a Rossignol feels differently than a Volkl.Go disect a ski made in the 60s and attempt to understand what was going on with it. That's how far behind you are.
Comments like this, to me, appear unfounded and unnecessary.
I can give you a list of people that I have or am working with to design skis, I assure you it is ALL about customer input. To date, I have turned away 3 customers. The first wanted a reverse camber ski that i was not capable of producing at the time, and the last two were interested in investing in the company. I was interested in working with them until they declared their intent on 51% ownership and gaining control.
If anyone is interested, I started a Custom Ski Construction and Tech discussion
to keep this thread heading in it's original direction. The reason this didn't exist already is that no one has asked before.Edited by krp8128 - 1/13/10 at 4:31am