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post #61 of 201
A good day for fairly early break with some lower placed climbers (non-climbers won't last).  I agree with Vaughters that a guy like Jens Voigt is a good candidate for the win.  He's over 12 min. down, so if the makeup of the break is low placed the big boys might take an easy day and let a break get some time.  I see someone from 50-100th place taking the win.  The fireworks may be subdued with the contenders saving it for Sunday, but you never know, and that's what makes the Tour so exciting.

Any other predictions?
post #62 of 201
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Comprex.. looks to be plenty of time to get back after the last big climb. I'll be looking for another small group off the front early on. Can't see much shuffling of the big players though.
post #63 of 201
I guess the real question is who will the Astana team members support if it comes down to a battle between Contrador and Armstrong?  It seems like Armstrong is acting more like a team member, even protecting Contrador yesterday after he took his flier.  Since Contrador didn't suceed in his attempt to get the yellow jersey (which Bruyneel doesn't want this early), I wonder if the rest of the team will support Lance and leave Alberto dragging in the wind.

Mike
post #64 of 201
I think the Team will follow Brunyeel, the question is will Contador?  As I said before, if all things are equal I think Brunyeel will favor Lance, and Contador knows that, so he has already started trying to swing the balance in his favor.  If Contador has a clear time lead Brunyeel will have to support him because a clear shot at the yellow jersey cannot be sacrificed.

Will Contador take another unauthorized flyer?  If he does will Lance try to run him down? Will he be able to catch him?  If he does will he drag Schleck and Evans with him?  Things are getting interesting.

I have a feeling that Lance will not listen to Brunyeel if he thinks he has a chance to win the Tour.  He may be done being the team player if Brunyeel cannot control Contador.
Edited by mudfoot - 7/11/2009 at 04:23 pm GMT
post #65 of 201
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These last two days in the Pyrenees have bored me to tears.....

When does the race start?
post #66 of 201
I expected today to be bigger than it was.    Kreuzinger hasn't got the legs; my hopes were on Sastre and Andy Schleck.  

Yeah.    Humdidy dum.

In fact I think the whole Contador/Armstrong controversy is manufactured.   I think they already know which they want to win and we're just being played.   

Totally played, so Versus and the AOC can get their USTVbucks.   These guys could give wrestling a lesson or two or a full semester of them.
post #67 of 201
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Originally Posted by habacomike View Post

I guess the real question is who will the Astana team members support if it comes down to a battle between Contrador and Armstrong?  It seems like Armstrong is acting more like a team member, even protecting Contrador yesterday after he took his flier.  Since Contrador didn't suceed in his attempt to get the yellow jersey (which Bruyneel doesn't want this early), I wonder if the rest of the team will support Lance and leave Alberto dragging in the wind.

Mike

Bruyneel was worried about having too many Lance allies on the team, thats why Chris Horner isn't on the team. 

I think Lance is still trying to get in shape.  He may be able to limit his loses in the Mtns, but his time trialing still seems to lacking.

 

post #68 of 201
post #69 of 201
Not much, imo.

I don't think Contador wants to ride with Vino any more than Lance does.    Vino riding on a team called  Astana  is almost a given.     Therefore everyone else will split like roaches at first light.

Are you thinking this might create a new iBanesto to compete with the ONCE-yellow of a hypothetical Livestrong team?    'F'so, whom do you have for the Livestrong team that's under 28, and not already signed by Garmin or Columbia?   Young Phinney? 

Edited by comprex - 7/13/2009 at 12:41 pm GMT
post #70 of 201
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I expected today to be bigger than it was.    Kreuzinger hasn't got the legs; my hopes were on Sastre and Andy Schleck.  

Yeah.    Humdidy dum.

In fact I think the whole Contador/Armstrong controversy is manufactured.   I think they already know which they want to win and we're just being played.   

Totally played, so Versus and the AOC can get their USTVbucks.   These guys could give wrestling a lesson or two or a full semester of them.

I'm not so sure about that.  I haven't been following cycling very closely in the last few years, but it seems to me like there could b a major battle between Contador and Armstrong.  I'm hoping it all boils down to an epic struggle up Mont Ventoux.  Remeber what went down between LeMond and Hinauld in 1986!
post #71 of 201
Fair enough. 

*suspends disbelief in spite of argument 'coz it is the Tour*
post #72 of 201
Could be that the Tour comes down to a drag race on Mt. Ventoux, which would not only be exciting but would make Lance put up or shut up, although he is already taking about coming back for next year's Tour with his own team.
post #73 of 201
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Fair enough. 

*suspends disbelief in spite of argument 'coz it is the Tour*

"TOUR" is right. I've been snoozing almost all week. Perhaps this is the price of TRYING to clean up the sport....but if this is the result I'm think'n let'um take the juice! Mr. Merckx must wonder what is to become of the sport. He'd try and rip the legs off his competitors daily, just 'cause. I miss that! Actually, think of the most exciting moments in the last 10 years at le Tour.
Probably all the direct result of better performance enhancing drugs than the next guy.

But at least they were racing!

Now it's who can win doing the absolute least amount of work possible. I've seen more action watching Curling.......

I'll stick with the Spring Classics.....no pillow needed for them



Edited by Rossi Smash - 7/13/2009 at 11:09 pm GMT
post #74 of 201
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Could be that the Tour comes down to a drag race on Mt. Ventoux, which would not only be exciting but would make Lance put up or shut up, although he is already taking about coming back for next year's Tour with his own team.
Swell.....three weeks of Tour, with 3 or 4 days of racing.....
post #75 of 201
 Did you catch that moment where the 'heads of state' came to a trackstand on the Tourmalet daring anyone to take the lead?

Thankfully the break didn't get caught. We are seeing a lot of successful breakaways which is nice even if it is the result of a peace treaty signed by all the GC guys.
post #76 of 201
 Actually, the average speed was high and it didn't make sense to try to gain time on the climb with such a long run out. 50 guys goiing over the top of the Tourmalet in the yellow jersey group was not excellent though.
post #77 of 201
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At least the Manx missile is getting it done. Great job today on an uphill sprint. Cav made the uphill dash for the line in a 14t cog and had the accel needed for a tight win. This makes 4 wins.

How many by Paris? 6? 7?


Edited by Rossi Smash - 7/16/2009 at 01:03 am GMT
post #78 of 201
 No comments? Was Astana riding a false tempo or chasing? What about Garmin? Columbia? Did Cav really need a lead out to sprint for 13th place? I thought he wasn't trying for the green jersey. Was Hincapie the victim of a triple cross? George will take the lead tomorrow.
post #79 of 201
Watching live I got the impression that Astana was happy to let the break go until it got near nine minutes.  They chased to bring it down to a reasonable margin then AG2R and then Garmin took it from there.  The comments of most of the key players supports this.  So, are they all posturing and their comments subterfuge or are they speaking the truth and that's in fact "the way it was"?
post #80 of 201
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There are no friends in racing.....
post #81 of 201
I think Bumpfreaq is right, Lance didn't care whether or not George got the jersey (in other words would 'like to see it happen'). Lance's only concern is himself getting the jersey and he knew George with a 3 1/2 minute lead was a threat, so that's when his team started to lead the chase (9 minutes on the road). They didn't appear to be trying to close the gap though.

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There are no friends in racing.....

Lance probably hasn't got any, but I think Hincapie is well liked in the peloton. Nocentini seemed to have some friends on Garmin at least for one day. Working to limit George's gain was a generous act by the other American team. Alliances are formed everyday on the road but seeing a team work when they have nothing to gain from the effort is a rare and beautiful thing.

George is going to be fired up today, watch out!
post #82 of 201
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There are no friends in racing.....

Lance protests otherwise:

http://tour-de-france.velonews.com/article/95404/
http://twitter.com/lancearmstrong
post #83 of 201
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Lance protests otherwise:

http://tour-de-france.velonews.com/article/95404/
http://twitter.com/lancearmstrong

 

Lance is ONLY worried about what is good for Lance......

believe what you will
post #84 of 201
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Well, there you have it....much to do about NOTHING

Astana has only one team leader as I'm sure has been known internally for some time.

Now if only Versus will get off their "Armstrong for President" preaching and now excuses.
post #85 of 201
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In fact I think the whole Contador/Armstrong controversy is manufactured.   I think they already know which they want to win and we're just being played.   

Totally played, so Versus and the AOC can get their USTVbucks.   These guys could give wrestling a lesson or two or a full semester of them.
post #86 of 201
 Ain't over yet.

IMHO - yesterday's stage was tailor made for Contador - a 100 mile warm-up with a sprint finish. There's still a TT and some "hard man" stages.
post #87 of 201
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 "hard man" stages.

Do you remember the italian term for that?
post #88 of 201
 Admittedly I haven't been watching much of the Tour this year, mostly because the weather was crap earlier in the season and it got nice about the time TDF got going and I'm not wasting good weather sitting inside watching riding when I can BE riding.

Yesterday I was a bit sore so I stayed in for most of the day but I'm not into it like I was in years past as I watched from start to finish.

Who should I be pulling for?  
No matter if I am aligned with a rider or team, it is a beautiful thing to see them ride!
post #89 of 201
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Do you remember the italian term for that?

Can't say that I do.
post #90 of 201
It's like 'flahute' only different.
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