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post #61 of 92

Think I've solved your problem.

Not that any of this applies to you, but let me rave on a bit

 

One of my pet peeves is when I see a couple with bikes, and the guy has a fancier bike than the woman.  They usually have some logic about "she won't use it as much or as hard".  So the heavy bike with bad shifting goes to the smallest, least fascinated- by- the- gearing type rider.  No wonder they don't ride together. No wonder she doesn't ride as much.

 

Woman can get years of service from really light gear that a guy would trash.  Even in my quiver of bikes, all the XO XTR, carbon fiber stuff goes on Mrs. Newfy's bikes.  I get by with XT X9, 32 spoke type things.

 

So, sell that Liquid (not that liquid is how I'd describe that asset).  Then go sell the lightest bike Mr. Trek has.  If that doesn't do it, start on the motorcycles.

 

Then go buy a proper, featherweight bike.

 

 

 

 

post #62 of 92
Thread Starter 

 epic, and newfydog, you crack me up!

(but you're both right)

 

If this were ski gear, I'd buy without thought.  You've witnessed my impulsive purchases over the past few years........ain't it fun! 

 

Sooooooo, I have been the bicycle nut in the family and I have enjoyed the Liquid a lot.  Had no idea how much more I'd enjoy a step up  until I demoed.

[note to self: Don't demo unless you're ready to buy]

 

While I think twice and thrice about buying a 2,000.00 mt bike, Mr Trekchick wouldn't think twice about plunking down 6.....errrrr, 7 K for a new dirtbike.  Of course when he does that, he needs to upgrade the shrouds, spark arrestor, bark busters, light kit.......and on and on.

 

I was going to the bike shop today to pick up my Liquid, with the idea that , IF the Fuel was still there I'd take it as a sign and buy it.  But...... I got sidetracked with family stuff and didn't make it to the shop.

 

We'll see what I come home with tomorrow, eh?

post #63 of 92

You know what to do. 

post #64 of 92
Thread Starter 

 

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You know what to do. 


Sell one of Terry's dirtbikes and get myself a REALLY Kick Ass Bike

post #65 of 92

naw, sell two and get a real kickass Mt. Bike and a real kickass Road Bike to go with it. 

post #66 of 92
Thread Starter 

 

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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post

 

 

Am I too confused, or just thorough in my research?  Who knows?

 

 

In the mean time, anyone want to make me an offer on these bikes? The HT is 17 inch, and the Liquid is 15.5(honestly the 17 is a tad big for me but it was my first nice bike an the shop guy who fitted me was convinced that I needed the 17)

 

 

 

 


Still no bites on either of my beauuuuuuutiful bikes?

 

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Originally Posted by habacomike View Post

naw, sell two and get a real kickass Mt. Bike and a real kickass Road Bike to go with it. 


I like the way you think. 

post #67 of 92

Sell an excavator and buy us all new bikes. 

post #68 of 92
Thread Starter 

 

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Sell an excavator and buy us all new bikes. 


Ya had ta bring that up, eh?

post #69 of 92
Thread Starter 

Well, here are the results of the day.......

I went to the shop after riding a trail that is nearby.  The lady who demo'd the bike last week, when I was demoing it, went to the shop yesterday and bought the bike.   That is the bad news

 

The good news is this......

I took the Klein SS out today, on a trail that you wouldn't think would be ideal for a SS, lots of twisty up hills and down hills.  This is the same trail I rode last week and walked 4 hills with my FS.

Today I only walked one hill and I almost made it up that hill, only walked a little bit near the top.

I was fluid and aggressive throughout the entire ride!

 

IMO this ride proved to me how much of a difference the weight can/will make.

 

 I plan on selling my HT and FS bikes and getting a better FS, but I am going to take my time to demo and get the right bike for the long term!

 

Gimme some good bikes for my short list to demo.

 

post #70 of 92

 

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Gimme some good bikes for my short list to demo.

 


You're going to get some biased recommendations. Here is mine: Santa Cruz. One factor to consider is fit. Treks fit me nicely. My Santa Cruz Superlight fits me nicely as did the Blur, which I demoed. OTOH, I found that Specialized never fit me well. So what I am saying is that if a Trek fits you, so will a Santa Cruz
 

 

Three guesses what Bushwacker will recommend.  Giants are nice bikes, but despite what some may claim, there is no such thing as the best design for FS. You have many good ones and a few that are terrible.

 

For some expert advice on things bike visit this site. http://www.f88me.com/index.php

 

It is basically a political forum by mtn bikers, but they are extremely knowledgeable when it come to mtn bikes.


Edited by SNPete - 6/15/2009 at 04:25 am GMT
post #71 of 92

That kinda make sense, you don't need the hard tail any more anyway.  Craigslist is a good place to sell the bikes, now is still prime selling season. LOL, you might note in the ad... "will consider trade for comparable value road bike". 

post #72 of 92

 

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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post

 

Gimme some good bikes for my short list to demo.

 


To start with, make this easy for us, what bikes does your LBS carry?

 

Demoing is all good, but it's not like skiing where you go to a demo day and all of the brands are there, so don't feel like you have to demo everything in order to make a decision.

post #73 of 92

 

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Originally Posted by SNPete View Post

 


Your going to get some biased recommendations. Here is mine: Santa Cruz. One factor to consider is fit. Treks fit me nicely. My Santa Cruz Superlight fits me nicely as did the Blur, which I demoed. OTOH, I found that Specialized never fit me well.
 

 

Three guesses what Bushwacker will recommend.  Giants are nice bikes, but despite what some may claim, there is no such thing as the best design for FS. You have many good ones and a few that are terrible.

 

For some expert advice on things bike visit this site. http://www.f88me.com/index.php

 

It is basically a political forum by mtn bikers, but they are extremely knowledgeable when it come to mtn bikes.


well you could get a New turner, Iron horse, pivot, Niner, Canfield Bros, or other suspension designs that actually works like Gt Idrive, or Haro Sonix/Xeox.

 

and I am sorry there is a "best" just like there is no F1 car that use macpheason struts mountain bikes that use Single pivots dont work as well as multi pivot zero chain growth no brake feedback design.

post #74 of 92

 

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and I am sorry there is a "best" just like there is no F1 car that use macpheason struts mountain bikes that use Single pivots dont work as well as multi pivot zero chain growth no brake feedback design.


Umm, Yea.
 

post #75 of 92
Thread Starter 

 Bushwacker, I adore you on many levels, you know I do, but let me say this clearly and politely.......

I am not stuck on Trek.  Trek happened to be the first bike that I demo'd and fit me well when I bought my first nice bike.  

 

I rode a Trance but it did not fit me well.

 

 I rode a Specialized Myka, and it was okay but would need a lot of tweeking to put me in my happy place.

 

So far the Fuel EX8 is the bike that I rode that was closest to making me Grin without a ton of adjustments.

I could order one, but if I am going to sell both my HT and FS to buy a lighter weight, more versatile FS, then I need to be prepared to be married to it.

 

I think bike frame, and geometry is as personal as ski boot fitting.

 

Ohhhhh, and I also rode a Gary Fischer  29'er.  It was fun but not a good replacement for my bikes. :)

post #76 of 92

 

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Originally Posted by SNPete View Post

 

Three guesses what Bushwacker will recommend.  Giants are nice bikes, but despite what some may claim, there is no such thing as the best design for FS. You have many good ones and a few that are terrible.


I'd be inclined to say that there may be a best. We may not have found it yet, but in the meantime, we can look for a bike that has the "best" combination of traits for the riding we do. IMHO for all -mountain riding, it is a "short link four bar" that may be a Maestro, VPP, DW Link or a few others. I think next would be a long link 4-bar like FSR and a few others. Link driven single pivot can be good too. Probably last place tie IMHO would be single pivot and faux-bar. The Trek is pretty much a Faux-bar, but the ABP at least releases the rear brake from undesirable suspension forces. The new shocks with platform, adjustable lockout, etc, can also help these sorts of bikes a lot.

 

Above all of that though, the bike has to fit and feel right. I like the way Intense rides, but not Santa Cruz, the suspension is the same, the fit is not. I like the way Giant rides, but not the Iron Horses I have ridden, the handling was spooky at best.

 

Trekchick, I'd still like to know what your options are at your LBS.

post #77 of 92

One more thing Trekchick - when I was bike shopping for Bonnie, I made an Excel spreadsheet with the geometry of the bikes she had ridden and other bikes that were in the hunt to help with knowing what size to demo. It's so hard to track down a lot of bikes for demos and when you get them, they may not be totally dialed, so it helps. Getting things adjusted just right makes a big difference and probably won't happen on a demo bike.

post #78 of 92
Thread Starter 

 Of the bikes available for me to demo at my LBS in a size that is smart for me

 

WSD Fuel EX8

WSD Santa Cruz Julian

Specialized Myka

Giant Trance 3

And a few cannondales, but they didn't grab me.

 

At the urging of Phil and Epic, I have looked at the difference in geometry between the Fuel EX8 and the WSD version.  It appears that they are almost exactly the same, with a few component differences.

I may just go demo the WSD EX8 tonight as well as the SantaCruz Julian......

We will see what, if anything, I come home with.

 

post #79 of 92

Why not just buy a new/used frame?  

post #80 of 92

 

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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post

 Of the bikes available for me to demo at my LBS in a size that is smart for me

 

WSD Fuel EX8

WSD Santa Cruz Julian

Specialized Myka

Giant Trance 3

And a few cannondales, but they didn't grab me.

 

At the urging of Phil and Epic, I have looked at the difference in geometry between the Fuel EX8 and the WSD version.  It appears that they are almost exactly the same, with a few component differences.

I may just go demo the WSD EX8 tonight as well as the SantaCruz Julian......

We will see what, if anything, I come home with.

 


As with the Fuel EX8/WSD EX8 ,the Juliana has the same frame as the Superlight frame. Just has women's specific parts. Which is fine. Two good choices. Good luck!  

 

Be aware that the Juliana does come in different flavors and weights.

 

http://www.santacruzmtb.com/juliana/index.php?pricing=1

 


 


Edited by SNPete - 6/15/2009 at 11:45 pm GMT
post #81 of 92
Thread Starter 

After....

  • thinking too much
  • waiting too long
  • letting the 08 Fuel EX8 slip through my fingers
  • reading all the input from Bears
  • thinking too much
  • demoing several bikes
  • researching components
  • price checking
  • thinking too much
  • researching geometry on different models

 

I went back to the bike shop I started at and bought the 2009 WSD Trek Fuel EX8 16.5.

 

The Geometry of the 16.5 WSD version of this bike felt very similar to the 15.5 mens version, except the WSD actually felt a little bit better.

I didn't get the bargain price that I could have gotten on the 08, but this bike fits me very well and just feels like home.  

The good news...The Shop included free tunes and XT pedals in on the deal which made it a little more palatable after missing out on the 08.

 

First outing:

Well, I had to do it, on the way home from the shop, I went to the VASA trail near Traverse City to christen her properly.  Due to the timing, we were unable to ride the full 13 mile loop but we did 6 miles with this result...

I was quicker and smoother in the twisties, more balanced in the corners, and didn't walk any hills, even the one with the sand on the approach.

 

The section of trail that we didn't get to last night has the largest hills but the way this bike fits and feels, I'm confident that my hill walking days are done.

Full review and TR will follow after another ride......or two 

 

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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

Wow, that Liquid is a pig. No wonder I have trouble climbing, that and I am also out of shape and a pig  

Phil, when you get a chance to ride with Finn, you need to switch bikes with him long enough to see the difference.

post #82 of 92

:worthless

 

 

On another note, I think I blew up my freehub. Looking at prices, a freehub body costs only $30 less than a whole new hub. I'm hoping I can breathe new life into this one. 

post #83 of 92

 

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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post

I went back to the bike shop I started at and bought the 2009 WSD Trek Fuel EX8 16.5.

 

 

 


Congratulations!
 

 

I went to the Trek site to see what you bought. Very nice. Good parts. Nice color.

 

It is amazing what the right bike will do for your riding experience.

post #84 of 92

I am SHOCKED!

 

 

post #85 of 92

I, too, am SHOCKED! (at how long it actually took you to pull the trigger).

 

Enjoy! But more important - Ride it and whip that bod into shape.

 

If the other (real) Trek gets their act together and replaces my broken frame, there will be another bear on a new one.

 

 

post #86 of 92

 

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:worthless

 

 

On another note, I think I blew up my freehub. Looking at prices, a freehub body costs only $30 less than a whole new hub. I'm hoping I can breathe new life into this one. 

 

what kinda of hub?

post #87 of 92
Thread Starter 

 

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Originally Posted by Living Proof View Post

I, too, am SHOCKED! (at how long it actually took you to pull the trigger).

 

Enjoy! But more important - Ride it and whip that bod into shape.

 

If the other (real) Trek gets their act together and replaces my broken frame, there will be another bear on a new one.

 

 

You're going to ride yours bare? 

You missed the nekid bike day. 

 

My plan is to ride it like I stole it!!!

post #88 of 92

 

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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post

 

 

what kinda of hub?


XTR. Rebuilt it this afternoon. The guts were actually mint and it's purring like a kitten now.

post #89 of 92

Trekchick:

 

Great news on the new acquistion.

 

I was looking at the forum headings and if there's a "Phil's Garage" it only makes sense that there should be a forum appropriately named, "Trekchicks Purchases etc ...".

 

What do you think ? (LOL)

 

Take care.

 

RMP

post #90 of 92
Thread Starter 

C'mon RMP, you think I buy and sell more than Phil? 

Not hardly. 

 

I will say, I tend to shop more like a man than a woman.  You never find me coming home with a car load of shopping bags from the mall, but you can imagine my husbands face when he came home to see three lawn mowers in the yard.  

Well.......I needed a new mower and I needed to know which one I wanted so I had the implement dealers drop off demos for me so I could do side by side comparisons

This is the one that stayed. :)

 

 

 

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