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Since its the off season, its the best time to buy!

post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 

Jeff

5'11"

150lbs

 

Current Ski

177cm Head monster IM70 with tyrolia Railflex bindings. 

 

Current ski locatins hit in 08/09 season

Big white, Kicking horse, Marmot, Sunshine and Lake louise. 

 

Favorite areas to ski in

Wider glades that allow me room to move without fear of slamming a tree, super steep blacks and double blacks the more pow the better, moguls and technical skiing.

 

Current impressions of my current ski

I found the IM70s great on groomers, they are insainly fast and easy to control and in their own on the groomers.  but since this is were i spend the minimum of my time i find it silly to continue on these skis, I find them difficult to turn quickly and feel they are too long and heavy for my weight.  I feel if they were a 173 and slightly lighter that they would have been a better performer for me.

 

Looking for a all mountain mid fat that will be a better western all mountain ski for a advanced skier who likes getting into the steeps and glades, something that wont chatter but is light enought that it doesnt feel like ive got 15lb weights on each foot.

 

Current boot.

08 nordica supercharger enforcers.

 

Current skis on the short list

 

Volkl Mantra 177cm

Head Mojo 94 180cm

Dynastar big troubles 176cm

 

(willing to take any recommendations) 

 

Figure i can get a good deal in the off season.  Thanks for anyones help :)

 

 

post #2 of 23

The first skis that come to mind when I see a request like yours are

Fishcer Watea 94

Blizzard Titan Cronus and/or Argos....

Just to name a few...

From your short list, the only ski I have personal experience with is the Mantra, which is fine, but I liked the Gotama better.

 

 

 

 

 

post #3 of 23

i'll second the watea 94 suggestion for your application. the mantra is heavy and planky, so i doubt you'd like it. in any case, expect to have to up your bump skiing game on any of these skis, though, compared to what you're on now. oh, and your thread title sucks

post #4 of 23

I disagree with lukc. The mantra is a great all around ski. I have found it to be rather light with my griffons. True its not great in bumps but it slays everything else from iced over grommers to big powder lines

post #5 of 23
Thread Starter 

ya sorry about the title lol.  I just realized i sound like im selling something. 

 

so the watea 94 eh.

ive also been researching the gotama and the line prophet 90's

 

I plan on picking up a shorter lighter version of my current ski for non pow/crud days so i will end up with a 2 ski quiver unless i find a wicked midfat for all days. 

post #6 of 23

 

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Originally Posted by skibum185 View Post

I disagree with lukc. The mantra is a great all around ski. I have found it to be rather light with my griffons. True its not great in bumps but it slays everything else from iced over grommers to big powder lines



 

i never said the mantra wasnt a good ski. it's a very GOOD all-around ski. but i said it has the FEEL of a heavy, planky ski. and it DOES. i'm not complaining about the weight. i LIKE heavy skis. but at least i RECOGNIZE that they are not LIGHT by a looong shot. they are wood, glass, and two layers of metal. my 191 mantras were HEAVIER than my 194 dynastar xxl's, which are MONSTERS!

post #7 of 23
Thread Starter 

questions to add then,

 

as I am 150lbs and 5'11 what ski length is right for me?  How much usable edge do you lose on a big mountain twin?  Because i found the 177 monster to be too big and heavy. 

 

I need a ski that feels light and nimble but can also be stiff and responsive.  Something that can kill it in the crud would be nice too, but seeing as most of my skiing will be at kicking horse i can get away with a larger mid fat.  Ide prefer a 1 ski quiver but if i must ill get a second for those days that no pow is in sight.

 

many of you have recommended a gotama and watea 94.  I hear the skiable length of the goat 176 would be good for me but i have no idea on the watea what length.

post #8 of 23

stick to mid to high 170's. i think the goat would be a bit much for what you describe. and i think you might need to readjust your expectations as you start to talk more and more about being really nimble while still being good in the crud... i'd say the two front-runners for you would be the fischer watea 94 or the salomon sandstorm

post #9 of 23

While I agree with lukc for the most part, but I think the Gotama is more versatile than its dimensions suggest.

I'm a woman  130 lbs 5'6".  I skied the Mantra, Aura and the Goat, of the three, I enjoyed the Goat the best, but then the ski conditions were the best while I was skiing the Goat.

 

as always, YMMV.  

post #10 of 23
Thread Starter 

Would i be better off with a 2 ski quiver in this instance then? 

 

Say keep the im70's and get the Goat?  then i have something for when i need huge edges at louise beacuse its always so damn icy there.  That may be my best option and i may have just solved my own problem. lol.

post #11 of 23
Thread Starter 

either that or get a shorter lighter carver and a big fat ski for pow days.  Price really isnt much of an object for me.

post #12 of 23

Dynastar skis are a good choice in general. Big Trouble looks good, but also look at the Mythic Rider in 172- should be plenty of stability for you given your weight and will be quicker than your 177Monsters.  Mojo 94 is a great ski, I subjectively rate it as more fun than the Mythic, but 180 skis more like a 178 ski, so they may be too long for you.  Again, your weight is key, don't go too long.  I am almost 40 pounds heavier than you and I ski 178-180 skis, so no wonder you feel that 177 is too long for you.  

 

Since you have no problem handling powerful skis, I'd put in the mix Nordica Enforcers, and, of course, the Mantra.  Enforcers are reputed to be turnier, which may help in the glades.   Atomic SnoopDaddys are also reputed to be turny and light, check their reviews on the board, there should be some.  I tested the perennial favorite, W94s and found them to be great fun in soft spring snow and totally scary in the frozen crud.  No experience in real powder, but any 94mm ski should do well enough there. 

 

As an aside, if you are choosing a non-specialty ski, choose for its performance in bad conditions, as any ski that is wide enough will float in powder is you have decent skills. I like the Mythic because it is totally superb on a bad snow day.  (As a disclaimer I do have a very fat ski for the deep snow days, so I could not care less how Mythic performs in deep powder, if I had to guess- well enough but not great, they are too stiff).  Again, as general principle, a great powder ski (that needs to be soft to bend in the pow) will be lousy on a typical cut-up/refrozen cruddy day (that demand a stiffer ski).  So choose your tradeoffs wisely.  

 

Best of luck...

 

 

post #13 of 23

 

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Originally Posted by CanehdianJ View Post

questions to add then,

 

as I am 150lbs and 5'11 what ski length is right for me?  How much usable edge do you lose on a big mountain twin?  Because i found the 177 monster to be too big and heavy. 

 

I need a ski that feels light and nimble but can also be stiff and responsive.  Something that can kill it in the crud would be nice too, but seeing as most of my skiing will be at kicking horse i can get away with a larger mid fat.  Ide prefer a 1 ski quiver but if i must ill get a second for those days that no pow is in sight.

 

many of you have recommended a gotama and watea 94.  I hear the skiable length of the goat 176 would be good for me but i have no idea on the watea what length.


Question?
 

 

You want a new 90mm + ski that is lighter and more nimble than your current 70mm monster?

post #14 of 23
Thread Starter 

jonrpen

 

Yes but more so, the main problem with the monster is it feels too long.

post #15 of 23

In one word, yes.

If not the Goat, then something in that category.

Although, like I said in my original post, the Watea 94 is a huge hit for many who are looking for what you're looking for.

If you're thinking of something wider, the Icelantic line has some great stuff. Hopefully Finndog will chime in with some of his know how in that realm. 

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Originally Posted by CanehdianJ View Post

Would i be better off with a 2 ski quiver in this instance then? 

 

Say keep the im70's and get the Goat?  then i have something for when i need huge edges at louise beacuse its always so damn icy there.  That may be my best option and i may have just solved my own problem. lol.

 

post #16 of 23

Yeah, I would suggest the Icelantic Nomad,  the actual dims are 146-111-136. Super agile and fantastic in trees. Great feel underfoot. Light, not overly damp but a real solid feel to them while being payful. They come in 168 and 181's and this coming year you can choose from a standard "stiffish" or a softer SFT version (30%) softer. Bombproof bases too! My favorite ski.

 

I know Mike, AKA "whiteroom" at The Skiers shop www.skiershop.com carries the line.

 

 

www.icelanticboards.com

post #17 of 23

Who's K2? Does he post here? 

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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post

Yeah, I would suggest the Icelantic Nomad,  the actual dims are 146-111-136. Super agile and fantastic in trees. Great feel underfoot. Light, not overly damp but a real solid feel to them while being payful. They come in 168 and 181's and this coming year you can choose from a standard "stiffish" or a softer SFT version (30%) softer. Bombproof bases too! My favorite ski.

 

I know Mike, AKA "whiteroom" at The Skiers shop www.skiershop.com carries the line.

 

 

www.icelanticboards.com



 

post #18 of 23
Thread Starter 

Reiterating -

 

150lbs

5'11''

 

what length gotama would be ideal for myself?  i have come across a decent price and am seriously considering taking the plunge.  I consider myself in the advanced level of skiing, but am by no means an expert.

 

my guess is a 176 as I will lose a couple cm of useable edge because of the twin tips.

 

(i am planning on getting a 170cm carver to suppliment the goat)

post #19 of 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by CanehdianJ View Post

Reiterating -

 

150lbs

5'11''

 

what length gotama would be ideal for myself?  i have come across a decent price and am seriously considering taking the plunge.  I consider myself in the advanced level of skiing, but am by no means an expert.

 

my guess is a 176 as I will lose a couple cm of useable edge because of the twin tips.

 

(i am planning on getting a 170cm carver to suppliment the goat)


 

go 183 or you'll kick yourself. in fact, i'll make it easier on you and just say that I'LL kick you if you don't go 183... watch your back!
 

post #20 of 23
Thread Starter 

you sure, cause my main complaint with the monster was i found it too long to be manuverable

post #21 of 23

 

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Originally Posted by CanehdianJ View Post

you sure, cause my main complaint with the monster was i found it too long to be manuverable



 

fine. get the 176. sounds like you already know the answer to your own question

post #22 of 23
Thread Starter 

 

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Originally Posted by lukc View Post

 



 

fine. get the 176. sounds like you already know the answer to your own question

 

I dont know, thats why I am asking.  I have no idea what to try and was hoping to find a deal in the off season.  Im starting to think it may be better to just wait till the ski season starts again and demo demo demo. 

post #23 of 23

 

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Originally Posted by CanehdianJ View Post

you sure, cause my main complaint with the monster was i found it too long to be manuverable

Some people like shorter, some people like normal length, some people like longer, some like

extra long skis.

Sounds like you are into the shorter end of ski lengths for your size, weight, ability.

That's OK but you may be missing something better.

Buy what you want, but always try to ski other lengths of the same ski if you can demo.

You can always sell or trade for something else.

Wow!

Just for the heck of it, I just got rid of all my current skis and I am going to start all over next season.

Looking forward to demo and hunt for deals!



 

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