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K2 Extreme or Dynastar Big Trouble?

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 

Hey whats up everyone,

 

I'm hoping some of you all could give me some input about the two skis in the subject line.  I'm 5'11" 160lbs advanced skier with about 20 years of experience.  What I'm looking for is a great ski for soft snow, powder and bumps that can compliment my Volkl carvers. 

 

I've narrowed it down to the big troubles and the extreme.  I know the specs are different on these; the extreme is 85mm in the waist and the BT is 92mm in the waist but they seem to be quite similar in the reviews I've read.  What I'm looking for is something that is just a lot of fun and can give me a little float during powder/ soft snow days AND can also work very well in some soft bumps (when we have them in the east).  I know I should demo but I have a chance to get either one of these skis at the exact same price and I want to pick one up during the summer so I can save some cash.  

 

So any suggestions? I know its slow around here, winter cant come back fast enough! 

post #2 of 14

Icelantic Pigrims. best soft snow ski

post #3 of 14

I've been on both the PE (same ski as the Extreme, it's just been renamed, no construction change) and the BT, and I greatly prefer the BT.  The BT is everything that *I* want in a ski in this class.  A very good combination of lively and stable; it has more stability than you'll get from the PE.  I found the PE to get knocked around in crud more, whereas the BT puches through a little better.  I think a lot of that has to do with the rather long rise the PE has in the tip, it tends to ride up over a lot of stuff.  This can be a good or bad thing depending on the snow you ski and how you ski.  For my tastes, I enjoyed the BT a lot more.  At no time when I've been on the BT did I feel like I had to work hard to get it to do what I what, it responds well to input predictably and easily.

 

I'm sure you'd be happy with either one.  I definitely like the BT better, though.

post #4 of 14
Thread Starter 

great thanks for the input.  Which one excels better in the bumps? My goal for next year is to ski more bumps more often.  I know both of there arent bump specific but just curious.

 

 

post #5 of 14

You could buy the leftover EXTREME's for just over $200.

That gives them a very real edge

Nice all around ski in softer snow,does just fine in the bumps

post #6 of 14

I didn't really get to try the BT out in the bumps much, but the PE did pretty well there.  I would imagine the BT would be slightly more cumbersome just due to the extra width (including at the tip and tail, not just at the waist), but I'm pretty happy on my watea 94's in bumps, so a mid-90's ski can do just fine in the bumps, depending on flex, sidecut, etc.

 

I will say, if you haven't regularly skied on a 80's or 90's waisted ski, you'll probably have to change you bump technique a little to accomodate the extra width, regardless of which ski you go with.

post #7 of 14

If you're planning to ski Eastern bumps at places like Sugarbush, Killington, MRG, I'd pick the Extreme (118/85/103 +/-) over the BT (124/92/114) based simply on the dimensions of the two skis (same suggestion as jaobrien6).  In fact, I would consider downsizing even further and going to the D-star Troublemaker (116/81/102 +/-).  My PE's are great bump skis (the near-perfect flex and the big turn-up on the tip/tail are definitely helpful in bumps), but in tighter SL-style bumps (example is upper part of Ovation at Killington) I prefer a ski that permits me to keep my legs even closer together and that is light and easy to manhandle when needed (my bump skills still need work).  I tend to choose my RX8's over my PE's for tight bumps.  I have skied TMs in bumps (the older green and black version with the 77mm waist) and thought they were excellent bump skis and easier than the PE's to "slink" through tight bumps.  They are soft enough that they should provide sufficient float for Eastern "powder" (but I've never tried 'em with any fresh on the ground to prove out this theory).

 

If you're mostly going to be using these in the West, I can definitely recommend the PEs (Extremes) and can state with confidence that they provide "float" in powder beyond what I expected from a ski with the PE's dimensions.  Never skied the BT, so I can't compare the two directly.

 

Good luck with your choice.

 

STE

post #8 of 14
Thread Starter 

well my girlfriend suprised me and ordered me a pair of Extremes for my birthday! I hope I like them since I didnt have a chance to demo.  I still think I want to get the BT's too, does anyone think these are too similar to each other now to justify buying them?  Thanks for everyones input

post #9 of 14

happy birthday!

 

I think your best bet is after you get the PEs is to go demo the BT and see for yourself. I havnt skied either of them so I dont have much imput

post #10 of 14

 

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Originally Posted by DC-Volkls View Post

well my girlfriend suprised me and ordered me a pair of Extremes for my birthday! I hope I like them since I didnt have a chance to demo.  I still think I want to get the BT's too, does anyone think these are too similar to each other now to justify buying them?  Thanks for everyones input


Nice!  That's an awesome birthday gift.  I'm sure you're going to have a ton of fun on them.  IMO, yes, these two skis are too similar to justify getting the BT's also.  I think you should just wait for snow and then go enjoy your new skis. :D

post #11 of 14

Nice skis, nice girlfriend to get 'em for you.  My girlfriends always got me what they wanted to get me, not what I wanted to get....

 

I'd go a bit wider than 92mm if you're going to pick up a second pair of skis.  However, I've been accused of being the king of "quiver overlap," so this advice definitely falls in the "do as I say, not as I do" category.

 

Congrats.

 

STE

post #12 of 14
I'm a killington guy myself. I agree with you ski the east, I had some nordica nitrous that were real good in those bumps actually, but you had to put a lil extra in. This season I was going to go with volkl's ac30 from 08 which I thought would compare to the nitrous, but have a higher speed limit. Instead I managed to find a new pair of Line Prohphet 80's basicly brand new with Dynastar Trouble Maker bindings for 200 and a pair of Rossingnol B2's for pre-season skiing. I'm pickin up 2010 Icelantic Pilgrims (which look absolutely amanzing for this season) as my fresh day ski. Going with Dalbello Surge boots (which are alot more stiff then my sports athority salomons).. It's 820 am on the east coast and i'm ready for snow, now if only it were winter.
post #13 of 14
179cm Extremes should fit your needs quite well, its a great bump ski and IMO rails crud. havent skied the BT enough to form an opinion.
post #14 of 14
 While I tend to stick w/ specialist skis....the PE is a great ski.  I had a pair a few seasons ago & skied them to death........ one of the best do everything skis out there.  Does not do anything great, but skis everthing real well. 
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