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Bindings for 2010 Got's

post #1 of 30
Thread Starter 

Whats up everyone, board newbie here - found you all the other day and liked what I saw so here I am.

 

So, I recently acquired a pair of 2010 Gotama's (stoked as all hell - love the re-design, the early rise is so stealth) and have been doing some research into what binding I want mounted on 'em.  I'm 5'11" 165, and consider myself an expert skier - the Gots are 186's.  I've been looking at the Marker Jester/Griffon series (no need for the Duke/Baron touring function on these sticks) and the Look PX12/15's.  As you can imagine, the Gots are going to be my pow-exclusive ski.  What I'm wondering is if anyone has any feedback on this season's bindings, the Marker and Look's specifically.  But, if anyone has some other bindings to throw into the mix have at.

 

EpicSki peoples: what say you?

post #2 of 30

Look's all the way! Personally I like the metal PX15 but nothing at all wrong with the PX12 either

post #3 of 30

Griffon Allllll the way.  Don't listen to Rossi Smash....... [Trekchick looks quickly then ducks] 

 

 

Oh and welcome to EpicSki!

 

 

post #4 of 30

Both are good, it does come to a personal preference.  Look has supposedly larger elastic travel, so if you jump a lot or tend to eject out of your bindings a lot Look may be marginally better at holding you in.  Griffons are supposed to be lighter, although the difference is hardly noticeable in real life.  Honestly, I would get whatever you can get cheaper.  At your weight you will do fine with PX12 in Looks (I believe Griffons also are 12-DIN bindings).  All my skis are mounted with LOOKs, and they have been working for me just fine.  Griffins seem to be the "faddish" binding of the moment, but that does not mean that they are superior in any way.  The "made for wide skis" claim is BS, as apparently the screw mounting pattern is not wider than Look's or any other binding to that matter.  I would choose what you can get for cheap and not believe the hype. 

 

P.S. Sorry, TC. 

post #5 of 30

 

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Originally Posted by alexzn View Post

Both are good, it does come to a personal preference.  Look has supposedly larger elastic travel, so if you jump a lot or tend to eject out of your bindings a lot Look may be marginally better at holding you in.  Griffons are supposed to be lighter, although the difference is hardly noticeable in real life.  Honestly, I would get whatever you can get cheaper.  At your weight you will do fine with PX12 in Looks (I believe Griffons also are 12-DIN bindings).  All my skis are mounted with LOOKs, and they have been working for me just fine.  Griffins seem to be the "faddish" binding of the moment, but that does not mean that they are superior in any way.  The "made for wide skis" claim is BS, as apparently the screw mounting pattern is not wider than Look's or any other binding to that matter.  I would choose what you can get for cheap and not believe the hype. 

 

P.S. Sorry, TC. 


I'll second that.

post #6 of 30

Both are excellent binder, I personally am partial to look's 14ti and better though. the plastic on the marker weirds me out a little. I have my looks and markers set at 9 and my solly sth16's at 12 and get about the same result.

post #7 of 30

Another vote for whatever of the bunch you can get cheapest.

 

I know that momentskis.com is clearing out Look PX15 XXLs cheap right now.  Heavy but solid.

 

I'm partial to Tyrolia/Head, particularly models with the Aero (race) toe.  Generally, that means 13+ DIN.

 

Sierra Skis currently has the Look PX12 Jib Wide Brake (100mm officially, but should fit Goats fine) for $105.

post #8 of 30

I"d choose based on the stand height differential, or delta, which is the difference in height of the heel compared to the toe height.  For some people this makes no difference, for others(like me) it can really affect balance.  Some one in the biz can correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the griffon is flat (my preference) while the looks have the highest delta available.

post #9 of 30

 

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Originally Posted by alexzn View Post

Both are good, it does come to a personal preference.  Look has supposedly larger elastic travel, so if you jump a lot or tend to eject out of your bindings a lot Look may be marginally better at holding you in.  Griffons are supposed to be lighter, although the difference is hardly noticeable in real life.  Honestly, I would get whatever you can get cheaper.  At your weight you will do fine with PX12 in Looks (I believe Griffons also are 12-DIN bindings).  All my skis are mounted with LOOKs, and they have been working for me just fine.  Griffins seem to be the "faddish" binding of the moment, but that does not mean that they are superior in any way.  The "made for wide skis" claim is BS, as apparently the screw mounting pattern is not wider than Look's or any other binding to that matter.  I would choose what you can get for cheap and not believe the hype. 

 

P.S. Sorry, TC. 

 

 

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I'll second that.

No apologies necessary.  I was just giving  Rossi Smash some grief. 

 

FWIW, while I have a set of Griffons for my Kikus, I would not hesitate to put the Looks on them if I didn't happen to have Griffons on hand.

In fact, I think I have a set of PX15's in the attic, new in the box.  I'll check.

 

post #10 of 30

Jibbers like the flat delta of the Jester/Griffon for skiing switch. 

 

If you're a forward skier, consider Look or Salomon. 

 

STH 16 has a lower stack height, a milder delta, and is lighter than the Look din for din. For this, I chose it for my pow skis. (Mavens) 

 

The Jester/Griffon is just marker utilizing their molds from the Duke binding to sell non-touring rigs. The Jesters really don't offer anything Looks or Salomon don't already offer. And, that's why they're gauffed at by many. I'm sure they hold your feet in just fine, though. Nor do I think you'd regret mounting any of the 3 now being discussed.

 

(go Salomon or Look for pow-oriented resort skis that don't ski switch.)

 

 

 

post #11 of 30

Try the Marker SchizoGriffon. It is a Griffon that you can adjust fore/aft 6 cm. like an old Ess (but much easier). Really helps to move them back when its really deep especially on those narrow boards!

post #12 of 30

I have Jesters mounted on my 2009's.  I chose them because I got a smoking deal on them and they look cool.  I have had zero problems out of them just like the 30 or so pairs of Marker bindings I've skied in the past 18 years.  I wouldn't hesitate to put a pair of Look/Rossignol bindings on them either. 

post #13 of 30

I would steer away from the schizo unless you were extremely unsure about mounting point.   

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Try the Marker SchizoGriffon. It is a Griffon that you can adjust fore/aft 6 cm. like an old Ess (but much easier). Really helps to move them back when its really deep especially on those narrow boards!

 

post #14 of 30

 

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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post

I would steer away from the schizo unless you were extremely unsure about mounting point.   

 


Why? Other than a little weight and cost there is no downside. Considering how many Goat mounting point threads or just mounting point threads in general, I think the schizo is a great idea.

post #15 of 30

 

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I would steer away from the schizo unless you were extremely unsure about mounting point.   

 


Why? Cost, quality or other?

post #16 of 30
Thread Starter 

@samurai: Way to put it simply.

 

@TC: PX15's in the box??  Want to sell them?!

 

From what I've heard about the new Schizo line of Marker's is that they're just glorified demo bindings.  Unless there's some sort of change in construction material (less plastic?) or din's or if you're not sure about your mounting point like epic said... what's the point?  Swapping sticks with your buddy for the day would be fun but I own my skis for a reason: they're the best.

post #17 of 30

 

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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post

 

No apologies necessary.  I was just giving  Rossi Smash some grief. 

 

FWIW, while I have a set of Griffons for my Kikus, I would not hesitate to put the Looks on them if I didn't happen to have Griffons on hand.

In fact, I think I have a set of PX15's in the attic, new in the box.  I'll check.

 

Just for the sake of completeness, I hope everyone remembers that PX15/18 has a different toe than PX12/14.  PX15 is metal, very secure and very durable, but it is a single-pivot design with no upward release. So you are (debatably) sacrificing some safety for retention security.   PX12/14 toe releases in all directions, but is mostly plastic, just like Griffons.  So far I have not had any durability problems on any of my PX12/14's.    The considerations of delta are probably more important than durability or safety concerns.  I chose to run Looks on all my skis in large part to maintain the same delta.   I never ski switch.

 

 

 

post #18 of 30

 

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Originally Posted by epic View Post

 


Why? Other than a little weight and cost there is no downside. Considering how many Goat mounting point threads or just mounting point threads in general, I think the schizo is a great idea.

 

 

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Originally Posted by hoody View Post

 


Why? Cost, quality or other?

In the thread about mounting a Goat with a strange tail(Kiku) there was some discussion, which caused me to check into the Schizo.  A few people that I hold in very high regard have seen this binding, and played with it a bit.   From what I gather, if you know where you want to mount your binding, you're better off getting something conventional, and the schizo is not quite all that its cracked up to be in the quality department...at least not up to the grade of the Jester, Griffon, Duke reputation.

It looks a bit gimicky to me. 

 

Life is skiing, I'll look for the binding when I get home tonight.  If its there I'll let you know the details and as always, everything's for sale.

 

Anyone in the market for a used dirtbike.  I'm willing to clean my husband's toy garage out too. 

Shhhhh, don't tell him!

post #19 of 30

 

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Originally Posted by alexzn View Post

 

Just for the sake of completeness, I hope everyone remembers that PX15/18 has a different toe than PX12/14.  PX15 is metal, very secure and very durable, but it is a single-pivot design with no upward release. So you are (debatably) sacrificing some safety for retention security.   PX12/14 toe releases in all directions, but is mostly plastic, just like Griffons.  So far I have not had any durability problems on any of my PX12/14's.    The considerations of delta are probably more important than durability or safety concerns.  I chose to run Looks on all my skis in large part to maintain the same delta.   I never ski switch.

 

 

 


I actually prefer the single pivot toe. No upward release at the toe for me....

post #20 of 30

 

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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post

 

 

 

In the thread about mounting a Goat with a strange tail(Kiku) there was some discussion, which caused me to check into the Schizo.  A few people that I hold in very high regard have seen this binding, and played with it a bit.   From what I gather, if you know where you want to mount your binding, you're better off getting something conventional, and the schizo is not quite all that its cracked up to be in the quality department...at least not up to the grade of the Jester, Griffon, Duke reputation.

It looks a bit gimicky to me. 

 

Life is skiing, I'll look for the binding when I get home tonight.  If its there I'll let you know the details and as always, everything's for sale.

 

Anyone in the market for a used dirtbike.  I'm willing to clean my husband's toy garage out too. 

Shhhhh, don't tell him!


TC......you are my alter ego......with me, NOTHING is for sale   EVER!

post #21 of 30

+1  The Jester or Griffon Schizo is a great option.

 

The mounting point on a ski like the 2010 Gotama is a very sensitive parameter due to the continious curve full rocker design.  With the schizo you can really dial in your binding mount to take max advantage of the ski's early rise tip/ rockered tail design.

 

No need to guess, mount to the Schizo line and play with the choices.

post #22 of 30
Thread Starter 

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Sierra Skis currently has the Look PX12 Jib Wide Brake (100mm officially, but should fit Goats fine) for $105.

 

What will the difference be between the PX12 Ti and the normal PX12?  Anything other knowing in the back of my mind that they have a nifty titanium disc?  If the rest of the construction is the same that's a smokin deal.

post #23 of 30

 

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Originally Posted by LifeIsSkiing View Post

@samurai: Way to put it simply.

 

@TC: PX15's in the box??  Want to sell them?!

 

From what I've heard about the new Schizo line of Marker's is that they're just glorified demo bindings.  Unless there's some sort of change in construction material (less plastic?) or din's or if you're not sure about your mounting point like epic said... what's the point?  Swapping sticks with your buddy for the day would be fun but I own my skis for a reason: they're the best.

The bindings I have are Rossi Axial2 150's wide, PM if interested in buying them.  

 

As for the schizo, its not a glorified demo binding.  If you look at the link in my above post there are two links to demos of that binding.  It is a binding that moves fore/aft, but is not designed to be adjusted easily for BSL like a demo binding(though I believe it has a decent range of BSL adjustment)

post #24 of 30

 

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What will the difference be between the PX12 Ti and the normal PX12?  Anything other knowing in the back of my mind that they have a nifty titanium disc?  If the rest of the construction is the same that's a smokin deal.

I believe the arms that hold the heel assembly are titanium on the Ti binding and composite on the regular binding.  I prefer Ti, but I have never heard of composite failing either.

 

post #25 of 30

sorry, i'm to throw in my 2 cents, but was told today (by our rep) for sure 100% that for 2010 look pivot heel bindings will be back with a wider foot print. I'm holding out the schizo on my Moment Reno Freebird's, just for the flexibility, but if that is of no concern (as i don't see the Got's being for the park), I'd wait...

post #26 of 30

with consideration of the ski, if you are a big, rough skier who throws his weight fore and aft in tough situations, you'd want a binding that you can re-drill to add about 20 screws, hoping the awesome binding of your ultimate choice will be held by the crappy mount area of the goat.

post #27 of 30
Hey all; I'm new here but I've skied the Goats more than any other ski the past two years.  I have the gold one and spent a day last spring riding the 2010 rockered version (186 cm).  I may be in the minority but I was dissapointed with the way the tail of the ski washed out on technical terrain.  I was really impressed (and surprised) at how well it carved high speed smooth runs, which was basically the opposite of what I expected.  At any rate its still a terrific ski, and if anyone is thinking of snagging one of the remaining 08/09 daytime/nightime models I would encourage you to go up a size.  Also, do not be afraid to mount your bindings ahead of the mid sole mark even if you never see the park. 
post #28 of 30
I have the griffons and i love them. they are lighter than the jesters and just as good. Since your 165 lbs you will be fine. They are rated for 220lbs or so and im 200 wet and they are great
post #29 of 30
I use Marker Duke. Top of the line..
post #30 of 30
i'm a big fan of jesters and the STH series. FKS/turnable if you can find it
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