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post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 

2009 International report on mountain tourism.

 

It says there are 7 resorts in USA with more than 1 million skier visits.  I can name 3, Mammoth, Vail, and Breckenridge.    Who are the other 4 USA resorts with more than 1 million skier visits ? 

 

I fixed this link try it again. 


Edited by catskills - 5/10/2009 at 02:02 pm GMT
post #2 of 18

Hey, that link doesn't link to the right..... link....

post #3 of 18

I am confuse.

 

post #4 of 18
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I fixed the link.   I bad

 

http://www.ropeways.net/download/6.pdf

post #5 of 18

I think magic mountain in vermont came close.

 

 

post #6 of 18
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Originally Posted by kbuzz View Post

I think magic mountain in vermont came close.

 

 


I am talking about 1 million skier visits in a year and not total life time skier visits for the resort.

post #7 of 18

I just saw some CO numbers. Keystone was over 1M. I'd feel safe guessing Squaw does more that that too.

post #8 of 18

I'd guess Aspen too.

post #9 of 18

Aspen the town yes, but no one area is close:

 

 

Aspen had 1,470,997 skier visits, up approximately 1.8 percent from the previous year’s 1,444,647. It saw increases at all four mountains, particularly Highlands, which was up 18 percent, to 211,635, due to an extended season. Aspen Mountain was up 1.5 percent, to 332,981. Snowmass was up 2 percent, to 771,455. Buttermilk numbers were about even, at 154,926.

 

I think Steamboat and Heavenly?

post #10 of 18

Killington?

 

Tremblant is kind of close to a million, and I always thought Killington was the busiest in the east.

 

I hope this doesn't spoil anybody's fun, but here is a link that shows winter park, steamboat and keystone are good choices.

 

http://media-coloradoski.com/docs/8ABC18AA-CE51-BA3C-7064017D78B7A022/pdf/SkierVisits1998_99To2007_08.pdf

post #11 of 18

Squaw, Heavenly, Mammoth, plus the 4 from CO = 7?

 

 

post #12 of 18

I think I was wrong about killington. The Colorado numbers surprised me. Breck, Keystone, and Vail are well over a million visitors. Winter Park, Steamboat, and Copper hover around that number.

 

post #13 of 18
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Squaw, Heavenly, Mammoth, plus the 4 from CO = 7?

No, the 6 from CO in the above post plus Mammoth.   I think Killington maxed ~900K before the ASC problems began.  Under Powdr Corp they actually want lower numbers.  I doubt Squaw or Heavenly have ever been over 1 million.

post #14 of 18

 

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Originally Posted by Tony Crocker View Post

  I doubt Squaw or Heavenly have ever been over 1 million.

I'm pretty sure there were at least a million people in line ahead of me at KT on the last powder day.

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I'm pretty sure there were at least a million people in line ahead of me at KT on the last powder day.


i'd be surprised if squaw had as many visitors this entire season as whistler did in the 3 days i visited this march... 

 

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Originally Posted by catskills View Post

I fixed the link.   I bad

 

http://www.ropeways.net/download/6.pdf



 

 

Pretty fascinating stuff to see ski market discussed on a global scope. Thanks for sharing.

Misc comments/conclusions:

I don't know the Euro market very well, was shocked to see them say Saalbach is over 2 mil visitors. I skied there one day and it reminded me a lot of Vail. Enormous place which I only saw the tip of the iceberg. Those visit numbers back up my impressions.

Stagnant skier growth is worldwide issue. Report expresses well known concern about attrition of baby boomer generation. One answer is to recruit nonwhites. In the US I think we should go after Hispanics.

Found it interesting that the Euro author has the perception that high single day ticket rates in USA are a somewhat positive sign of status/prestige. I mostly disagree with that. He also missed how same resorts sometimes have cheapest season passes.

Austria has one of the best records of continued ski industry growth. Report states that Austria is also the last country where the ski schools continue to systematically offer the ski week concept - perhaps a secret to growing skier visits.

About Japan, report corroborates what we hear from some Epicski posters - lot of fresh powder goes untouched, attendance there has declined 50% since the 1980s.

Report concludes that US, with a market population as big as Europe, has half the skier visits leaving some big potential for growth.

My personal opinion regarding stagnant growth is that attracting and retaining newbies should be a huge priority. Offer them very inexpensive beginner lessons and massive (75% off) discounts on lifts, lessons and rentals for the remainder of that first season. Make is almost as cheap as going to a movie and get them hooked for the long run.

post #17 of 18

my impressions of tahoe: 20 odd years ago, easy money flowed in N. Cal.  and during those years I stood in some pretty long lines. That bubble burst, prosperity ebbed in general, and there has not been a long line since (bluebird days excluded). Good for those not in a long line, but for how long until the area squeaks, cuts back, and worse?

 

I think the issue is pretty obvious.

 

IMO, want to fix skiing attendance? have to fix the world economy. No small measures are going to cut it.

 

Even if the lifts were $20, the travel, accommodations,  and time off work would block out a nervous upper middle class. If the US only had wealthy skiers, the industry here would not resemble that in Austria (cited as a country with level and increasing attendance), where the middle class skis in large numbers. Of course, Austria has a very homogeneous society compared to the US.

 

just my 2 cents, more a skier-observer than a financial genius.

post #18 of 18

I e-mailed the author of the report and asked him which resorts he had in mind (over 1 million visitors).  His reply:

 

"Beside Mammoth, Vail, Breckenridge, there are Keystone, Steamboat, Copper Mountain and Killington. On course this may vary according to the snow conditions of the seasons."

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