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Bentchetler or Blog?

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Anyone own or demo either or both? I was reading up on them at TGR, they look very interesting. Looking for more input.

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I demo'd the Bent Chetler a few months ago, pretty sure you saw my review.  I was not impressed.  Granted, I demo'd them on a day that wasn't the best for them.  It was firm, refrozen off trail, with about 3" that fell throughout the day.  I wanted to see how they handled these types of conditions, given that the whole point of the camber underfoot and the sidecut is to make the ski more versatile.  They did not handle those conditions well at all.  I felt like they got knocked around a lot by the refrozen crud (sure, everything does, but this felt particularly bad) and I really struggled to get them to edge at all on the (admittedly firm) groomers.

 

I imagine they'd be a hoot in good conditions, but a lot of skis are.  As an attempt to make a deep snow ski more palatable when the conditions aren't good, I think they missed the mark.  As a comparison, I demo'd the Huge Trouble on the same day, for the same purpose, and had so much more fun on them that I picked up a pair.

 

I'm not completely turned off to this hybrid concept (these, JJ's, etc) but I am skeptical at this point.  Maybe they just haven't figured out the right combinations of flex, camber, sidecut, etc.  Or, maybe I just don't like the Bent Chetler; it's the only ski of this genre I've been on so far.

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interesting, I think the Blog is more aimed at that crossover fit. Thanks though.

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Well, I based my thoughts on Atomic's intention for the ski primarily from this: thegoat.backcountry.com/2008/12/23/stop-grinnin-drop-linen-the-bent-chetler-lands-stateside/, which includes comments from someone at Atomic.  Maybe it's all marketing drivel, but they certainly claim they were looking to improve versatility over a normal deep snow ski.

 

So, I stand by my review.  If this is only supposed to be deep snow, backcountry, jibbing ski, it's probably a blast.  But if you expect the sidecut and camber in the middle to make it a more versatile ski, you'll be dissapointed.

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Regardless of what I thought, no one else has been on either of these?  I did wish I had tried the Blogs at the demo day, but didn't get around to it.  Ah well, maybe next year. :)

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not challenging your review or thoughts at all, I think based on the construction of the Blog, having a 110 underfoot as opposed to 123 and a raised tail/early rise as apposed to a rocker, it would be more versitile overall.

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Dang Finn, does this mean your HB is for sale?

 

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I have used both. Neither ski is designed as an ice carver. The pop rocker design allows for many of the benefits of a full reverse camber ski, but the cambered w/ sidecut section offers a lot more control when the ski is outside of its intended elements. With a properly tuned ski, either can hold a carve on ice, though it does require more effort and almost all pressure to be on the outside ski (Blog can be skied a bit more 2 footed). I new snow, these skis come alive and the deeper it gets, the better it gets.

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Originally Posted by Betaracer View Post

I have used both. Neither ski is designed as an ice carver. The pop rocker design allows for many of the benefits of a full reverse camber ski, but the cambered w/ sidecut section offers a lot more control when the ski is outside of its intended elements. With a properly tuned ski, either can hold a carve on ice, though it does require more effort and almost all pressure to be on the outside ski (Blog can be skied a bit more 2 footed). I new snow, these skis come alive and the deeper it gets, the better it gets.

 Have you had a go on the 182 Atlas?. I read a review on TGR of the 192 Atlas (http://tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154829), which are 125 underfoot, and they sound a lot like my Salomon Rockers. I'm wondering whether the 182s fall a bit more into the playful category.

 

Oh, and for anyone interested, here is the 2010 Atomic catalogue: http://www.brandex.co.nz/files/Alpine_Catalog_0910_low.pdf


Edited by D(C) - 5/10/2009 at 04:02 pm GMT
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post

not challenging your review or thoughts at all, I think based on the construction of the Blog, having a 110 underfoot as opposed to 123 and a raised tail/early rise as apposed to a rocker, it would be more versitile overall.

 

Good point.  I probably had my expectations set incorrectly for the Bent Chetler based on the stuff I'd read.  I should have tried the Blog to compare because it probably is much more like what I'd been expecting/hoping for.

 

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Dang Finn, does this mean your HB is for sale?

 

 

I was wondering the same thing.  :)

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thanks to All,

 

OK, TC, no they aren't for sale ..... yet. I bought them  because they were too good oa deal to not try them. I think they are a great ski, they actually havea quite a bit od sidecut. I am really just trying to learn more about where the industry is going and what designs are proving most useful. I will have to take the HB's into some Steamboat trees and tighter stuff to see if they work for me. I am still holding out for the Icelantic Rocker that is probably not going to see light until 11' season. I am also still very interested in the Icelantic Soft Nomad which is traditional.

 

 

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I have used both. Neither ski is designed as an ice carver. The pop rocker design allows for many of the benefits of a full reverse camber ski, but the cambered w/ sidecut section offers a lot more control when the ski is outside of its intended elements. With a properly tuned ski, either can hold a carve on ice, though it does require more effort and almost all pressure to be on the outside ski (Blog can be skied a bit more 2 footed). I new snow, these skis come alive and the deeper it gets, the better it gets.


Thanks Beta, trust me, I am not looking for an ice carver!!!!!
 

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