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How do the Atomic GS12 FIS race-spec skis differ from the 'standard' GS12s? I have the opportunity to buy the FIS model, but am not a racer and want a ski that will be suitable for general piste use plus the bumps. I current ski on GS11s which have been great, but are now worn out (lost their camber).

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Hi Wardy. Welcome to Epic. I think you may be disappointed with a FIS model of the Atomic GS ski. The Race Stock or FIS model has a totally different construction than the Power Bridge model. The PB model has a turning radius around 19 meters and a firm but managable flex rating. The FIS model is very stiff and has a turning radius of over 27 meters. You may find it really unmanageable in the bumps. None of the GS skis will be ideally suited in the bumps, but can be used in moderation. I recently purchased a pair of Atomic GS12s 175 (Power Bridge) on E-Bay for a very reasonable price. You might search there for a great deal. Good luck with your quest, James.


Edited by JMD - 5/8/2009 at 01:49 pm GMT
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Originally Posted by Wardy View Post

How do the Atomic GS12 FIS race-spec skis differ from the 'standard' GS12s? I have the opportunity to buy the FIS model, but am not a racer and want a ski that will be suitable for general piste use plus the bumps. I current ski on GS11s which have been great, but are now worn out (lost their camber).


If you have to ask, you probably don't want the FIS model. I realize I'm painting with a pretty broad brush, but I'd say that generally the folks who would want an FIS-legal GS ski already know exactly what it is. Happy trails.

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Thanks for the advice.

post #5 of 10

What they said! Strictly a race ski for racers with TOP NOTCH Technique and low points.!

 

We have 2 pair of older FIS Race Stock 186cm Gs11's with the Black WC plate with about a 23.5-24m radius.

 

i am 6 feet and 188 lbs. and can barely turn the damn things!

 

Don't go there!!!!

post #6 of 10

Exactly what the others have said. I use race stock skis on groomers. They have incredible carving performance/high speed stability if you know how to use them or need them for something like masters racing. They aren't too happy in bumps, soft snow, or powder. I use mine for racing, race training, hardpack carving. I put them away for other conditions.

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I wouldn't be so strict with "Don't go there!!!". I have no experience with Atomic skis, but I doubt Fischer skis would be all that different. I ski on groomed tracks only, but I'm still pretty sure CaptainKirk is right, about these skis for powder skiing. But anyway... I will never go back to store skis as long as I will be skiing like I am skiing. I don't race, but even then skiing with race stock skis and skiing with normal store skis are two completely different things. Personally I don't have any problems like Atomicman has, but then again, after almost all my life in competition skiing, and considering I'm still quite a lot into sport, I'm probably not average skier and even less average strength skier. So to be honest, for me skiing with race stock skis is pure fun.

I have no idea how good skier Wardy is, and I have no idea what exactly he expects from skis. So it's pretty hard for me to say if they would suit him or not.

PS: I just re-read Wardy's first post, and noticed he wants skis also for bumps. Then yes... Don't go there!! Skiing on bumps with race stock skis is pain and definitely not pleasure.

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There are way too many differences to list, between the GS12FIS and the GS12Powerbridge.... Shape, construction, flex.....

 

Overall, the average flex would be somewhat the same, where and how the skis flex differs greatly. The FIS has a softer shovel, but through the waist and out the tail is much stiffer. 

The FIS version relies on flex to generate the carve, where the PB utilizes the deeper sidecut. 

 

That all said, if you primarily used race skis 15-20 years ago before the "All Mountain" skis came out, modern GS skis are wider with more shape and can be used in a multitude of conditions. The present GS12FIS has similar dimensions to the original BetaRide 10-20 which was an All Mountain ski.

 

Next season, the retail race and FIS compliant skis (SL and GS) will both share the same construction utilizing Double Deck technology, with the ONLY differences being the shape, the addition of an elastomer under the binding area of the retail version, and the binding requirements (NEOX on retail, Race Xentrix on FIS).  

 

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Originally Posted by primoz View Post

I wouldn't be so strict with "Don't go there!!!". I have no experience with Atomic skis, but I doubt Fischer skis would be all that different. I ski on groomed tracks only, but I'm still pretty sure CaptainKirk is right, about these skis for powder skiing. But anyway... I will never go back to store skis as long as I will be skiing like I am skiing. I don't race, but even then skiing with race stock skis and skiing with normal store skis are two completely different things. Personally I don't have any problems like Atomicman has, but then again, after almost all my life in competition skiing, and considering I'm still quite a lot into sport, I'm probably not average skier and even less average strength skier. So to be honest, for me skiing with race stock skis is pure fun.

I have no idea how good skier Wardy is, and I have no idea what exactly he expects from skis. So it's pretty hard for me to say if they would suit him or not.

PS: I just re-read Wardy's first post, and noticed he wants skis also for bumps. Then yes... Don't go there!! Skiing on bumps with race stock skis is pain and definitely not pleasure.


A lot of assumption in your post here Primoz.

 

LIKE ALL FIS ATOMIC GS SKIS HAVE THE SAME FLEX AND FLEX PATTERN. I THINK NOT!

ALL FIS SKIS ARE NOT CREATED EQUAL!

 

So although I am sure you have fun on your skis and can arc them fine, for the vast majority of skiers, a

TRUE Race Stock GS ski would be a hinderance not a help.

 

Remember the OP said and I quote "I am not a racer and I want a ski that will be suitable for general piste use plus the bumps". This hardly describes a FIS Race Stock GS ski does it?

 

In fact i swould submit that he may not want to be on any GS Race Ski.  there are so mnay choices out there that fit the bill better then even a store stock GS12. Way too many to list.

 

I say Wardy should expand his horizons and go demo some of the more versatile offerings available nowadays!

 

 

 

 

 


Edited by Atomicman - 5/11/2009 at 07:59 pm GMT
post #10 of 10

My current and previous GS skis are Atomic FIS models:  GS12 183cm/23m and GS11.21 181cm/21m.

Are you on the FIS version of the GS11?  If so, you might really like the FIS GS12, but look at the 23m ski, not the 27m ski. 

 

I was actually surprised at how well the FIS skis do in bumps, as long as they weren't really choppy & icy bumps. Soft spring bumps were a lot of fun.  The GS11.21 skis were a little smoother, partly because they happened to have a 1 degree base bevel, vs 0.5 on my new GS 12 skis.  I've also skied a couple of current PB models, and would probably describe them as a bit more forgiving/versatile as an all-round ski.  The limitations with the PB models show up at higher speeds and very hard snow, so figure out what the extremes of your range are, and choose accordingly.

 

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