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I figured being season's end, this might give you guys something interesting and fun to do Llke rip me a new one!!

 

I was at Crystal Mt. a couple of weeks back and one of our excellent local shops was there doing a photo shoot for their advertising for the coming season. I know most of the employees and owners. I ran into them on the hill and the Pro photographer asked me if I would ski for some shots. I have very few photos, so I agreed.

 

I am on a 180 Mojo 94. very warm day. Snow is just about to turn to slush and the run is a single Black Diamond with lots of bumps but fairly good spacing..

 

I will preface by saying that the 2nd shot slight A-Frame is an alignment problem. My right hip and leg are slightly twisted and to keep preesure off the big toe edge of my right ski, I have the cuff of my boot adjusted in as far as it will go. Canting will not fix this problem (been there done that) and mismounting my bindings is a hit/mis solution and not viable on plated race skis.  So i just deal with it!

 

Other then that... Have at it!

 


Edited by Atomicman - 5/3/2009 at 12:08 am GMT


Edited by Atomicman - 5/3/2009 at 12:30 am GMT
post #2 of 18

Snazzy jacket A-man Looking good.Going to Hood this summer?

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Nice action shots!

 

At first glance, I recognize something that I've been working on.  Your left shoulder appears to be lagging behind a bit in 2nd & 3 photos (I wonder if this happens on your other side).  Your left wrist is also cocked up slightly, & out of symmetry with your right.  This might not be a problem in this turn, but could be in the next.  My call would be to ask you to roll your left shoulder forward slightly & bring your elbows more forward.  You want to avoid using any rotary impetus from the torso when you transition into the next turn.

 

The second photo shows good balanced angles, but looks like you get behind in the third.  It might be that you are getting ready to react to a mogul or something.   It is hard to tell much about movements from still photography, but I would say it's dynamic skiing!  Even with the knee tuck A-frame thing in the second photo, your edge angles look pretty equal.  Good level shoulders and lateral angles.  Photo 1 gives more of a side view, & it appears that the angle of your tibia from boot top to knee, is greater than that of your femur & spine.

 

I can't believe I just wrote that knit-picky kind of stuff down, but it's been raining out... & well I really like your shots.

 

JF

 

BTW, why is Atomicman on Head skis?

 

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Snazzy jacket A-man Looking good.Going to Hood this summer?

Thanks dude!  I may come down to Hood. I'll let you know1

 

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Nice action shots!

 

At first glance, I recognize something that I've been working on.  Your left shoulder appears to be lagging behind a bit in 2nd & 3 photos (I wonder if this happens on your other side).  Your left wrist is also cocked up slightly, & out of symmetry with your right.  This might not be a problem in this turn, but could be in the next.  My call would be to ask you to roll your left shoulder forward slightly & bring your elbows more forward.  You want to avoid using any rotary impetus from the torso when you transition into the next turn.

 

The second photo shows good balanced angles, but looks like you get behind in the third.  It might be that you are getting ready to react to a mogul or something.   It is hard to tell much about movements from still photography, but I would say it's dynamic skiing!  Even with the knee tuck A-frame thing in the second photo, your edge angles look pretty equal.  Good level shoulders and lateral angles.  Photo 1 gives more of a side view, & it appears that the angle of your tibia from boot top to knee, is greater than that of your femur & spine.

 

I can't believe I just wrote that knit-picky kind of stuff down, but it's been raining out... & well I really like your shots.

 

JF

 

BTW, why is Atomicman on Head skis?

 

 To answer your last question first, I didn't think Headman was a good choice!

 

 

All three photos  just happen to be taken I believe just as I am about to plant or pole touch and change edges. this would explain the cocked wrist. As to the lagging left shoulder. I am a bit baffled by this one particularly in the 2nd shot. I just don't see it. Looks like strong inside 1/2 to me and my left shoulder is ahead , as is my left hip and ski and left hand.

 

In the 3rd photo I am much closer to edge change then in the other 2 shots. I think i am a split second from edge change in photo 3 and I would expect less difference in shoulder alignment fore/aft because I am closer to neutral  (less edge angles
 

 

I have no  have an issue with my hand or elbow postion in any of the photos.

 

As far as rotary impetus of the torso. What do you consider the torso?  If it is the body from the hips up, I will have to disagree with this. If you don't have rotation of your torso, you end up following your skis. In photo 2 i would submit one of the strongest points of this photo is i am nicely  and naturally countered upper body facing the next turn before edge change.just ready to pole touch and rollo over  this is right where i want to be I think? I think the next turn will be a crossover as I am reaching down the hill from my boots and will dive directly over my skis into the next turn or let me knees come up and crossunder.

 

Look at frame 3 here of nicole Hosp http://www.ronlemaster.com/images/2006-2007/slides/hosp-aspen-2006-sl-2.html

 

As long as you are not pivoting  your skis the upper body anticipation to the next turn is desiarable. In fact I have been working on that exact move with coaches in the slalom course. It almost makes your skis turn themselves. this along with level shoulders shoots your skis effortlessly but powerfully to the other side.

 

3rd and 4th frame here  http://www.ronlemaster.com/images/2006-2007-B/slides/myhrer-bc-2006-sl-1.html

 

Her it is  Jessica kelly 3rd frame & 3rd to last frame. http://www.ronlemaster.com/images/2006-2007/slides/kelley-aspen-2006-sl-1.html

 

and with all said, still shots are tough since it is just an instant in time!

post #6 of 18

You look like a dang good skier to me. I have had my picther taken by Jeff Caven many times and I know I'm better lookin than he shows. So keep trying your best and having fun. If you see Jeff tell him Mary say HI. Nice extending but try to get your out side heel back a little more.  Maybe.   

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Nice pictures, good technique.  I am not qualified to analyze it, especially without video anyway.  How do you like the skis (Mojo94?). You and I are about the same size/weight and we ski similar snow, so I am interested in your impressions. 

 

P.S.  Snazzy jacket too, looks like Jeff Caven pumped out red saturation some to acheive better isolation from the snow.  Cool pictures.

post #8 of 18

Ahh the fun we could have had a few weeks ago huh Atomicman?

 

Looks pretty solid to me as I know the conditions you were skiing in.

 

I love Crystal.

 

 

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Ahh the fun we could have had a few weeks ago huh Atomicman?

 

Looks pretty solid to me as I know the conditions you were skiing in.

 

I love Crystal.

 

 

No doubt Crystal is a great place. I believe these shots are taken on Iceberg (Now begrudingly called Middle Ferk's) But could be at the top of Green Valley where they normally groom. As you know both have a pretty decent pitch!

 

We'll have to meet at Crystal next season and make a few turns!

 

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Nice pictures, good technique.  I am not qualified to analyze it, especially without video anyway.  How do you like the skis (Mojo94?). You and I are about the same size/weight and we ski similar snow, so I am interested in your impressions. 

 

P.S.  Snazzy jacket too, looks like Jeff Caven pumped out red saturation some to acheive better isolation from the snow.  Cool pictures.

jeff Caven is a really good guy and works really hard when shooting on the hill. It is apparaent he really know what he is doing.

 

I really like he MOJO 94. it is a bit softer and not quite as powerful as the Monster 88 particularly in the tail, but I have found it to be incredibly versatile, very quick for a 94mm waist and rock solid on groomed and even hardpack and ice. (I have mine tuned to a 1 base edge and 3 side edge)

 

I own 3 other pairs of Heads that I ski on regualrly. if you like the damp solid feel of Head you will love this ski! I have recommended it to a couple of othersthat bought it and they all raved about the ski.

 

It is my understanding that many of the wider Head skis are getting dialed back a bit next year. (maybe 1 less sheet of metal (Definetly for the Monster 88).

 

So as always, demo before you buy!

 

Thanks for the postitve comments

 

Best Reagrds!

 

CW (A-M)

 

If the snow is really heavy they are still very manageable. Get them in some good POW and they are a dream. ski exceptionally well in chop and crud,too, amazing a ski this wide can ski the groomed so well! But vertical sidewalls and a 3 degree side edge really help!

 


Edited by Atomicman - 5/3/2009 at 09:55 pm GMT
post #11 of 18

A-man,

The sequence of shots show a move from parallel tibias, to non parallel tibias and back to parallel tibias. Good use of knee angulation BTW! So often the theoretical ideals are seen as absolutes when in fact a movement "error" can be a matter of using what works for your body. IMO the use of knee angulation allows you to perform the turn you are trying to accomplish and as such isn't a error. As you pointed out it's more a practical tactical choice based on a real world condition and it works quite well for you. I wonder if you could expand on your experience with why alignment and canting don't help you.

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A-man,

The sequence of shots show a move from parallel tibias, to non parallel tibias and back to parallel tibias. Good use of knee angulation BTW! So often the theoretical ideals are seen as absolutes when in fact a movement "error" can be a matter of using what works for your body. IMO the use of knee angulation allows you to perform the turn you are trying to accomplish and as such isn't a error. As you pointed out it's more a practical tactical choice based on a real world condition and it works quite well for you. I wonder if you could expand on your experience with why alignment and canting don't help you.


Hi Jasp,
 

 

Thanks for reponding! These are not sequential photos, in other words 3 unrelated separate shots.

 

As far as the alignment goes, I have had a fair bit of trauma to my right leg and hip. (Fractured my Fibula in a race course at the very botoom down inside my boot) spent a month in the hospital in bed in 1996 with my knee bent & ended up  with a big ass skin graft on my right hip and addtionally my right foot is somewhat twisted in too!

 

So I am twisted in what i  would call the horizontal plane. When a bootfitter sticks me in my boot and sets my boots straight (lined up straight ahead,  it badly twists my right hip in. I have tried inside and outside thick cants  and it just makes the problem worse.To relieve the pressure on my inside upper cuff that is created by the inside twisting, the only thing I have found that reasonably works where I don't feel like i am going to make an infinite right footed turn is to adjust the cuff of my right boot in (medially) as far as it will go. This does 2 things:, it removes the pressure off of my inside edge of my right ski and allows me to roll over to my lateral edge of my right ski because the boot cuff is much closer to the lateral side of my lower leg.

 

I have experimented with this exhaustively with numerous bootfitters over the years. Consulted a Rolfer, been to the physical therapist, even got all l lined up in the shop and had my boot soles planed.The way we did it we could take it back apart to flat which is exactly what we did because to say it did not have a positive effect is an understatement. (One additional problem with that boot, Salomon X2 plug was that it did not have adjustable cuffs. my boot guy had to heat the cuff to move it which is also somewhat inaccurate.

 

On my wider skis that have the bindings mounted with no plate. I guess I could exoeperiment with mounting my bindings at an angle. But that seemed hit and miss and a miss could make the ski un-remountable (Is that a word?)

 

So there ya go!


Edited by Atomicman - 5/4/2009 at 06:22 pm GMT
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A-man,

My previous post was in no way a diss on your skiing.  Like I said, I really like your photos especially the second one!  Like you said it is hard to do MA from a photo, it is only a moment in time.  I just thought you were looking for some input besides what a nice jacket you are wearing.  I thought I recognized some things in your pictures that I am working on in my own skiing.  My bad if I was off base.  It is hard to tell where your shoulder and hand are in a 2 dimensional photo.

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As to the lagging left shoulder. I am a bit baffled by this one particularly in the 2nd shot. I just don't see it. Looks like strong inside 1/2 to me and my left shoulder is ahead , as is my left hip and ski and left hand.

 

As to the cocked wrist, I was refering to your left.  It is out of alignment with the rest of your arm.

 

              

 

 

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All three photos  just happen to be taken I believe just as I am about to plant or pole touch and change edges. this would explain the cocked wrist

FWIW,  I saw the same wrist thing in some of the WC pics you linked, so I'd say it's just something I noticed, & probably no big deal.  We use to call it Skier Recognition, before it was known a Movement Analysis.  I recognize you as a good skier.

 

I also have some of the same A-framing issues, & am still trying to find the perfect boot balancing.

 

 

 

Thanks,

JF

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Sorry if i came off defensive in my response. I didn't not feel defensive as i wrote it and I do appreciate your feedback (even if i don't necessarily agrree with all of it). I did  want feedback other then Nice jacket!

 

I know i hold my poles a bit funny Really loose and kinda twisted in my hand! But I don't think that has any functional effect on my skiing except that I do tend ot drag my uphill pole as a feeler. I also have a natural tendency if i put my hands out in front of me to balance 9even sitting at my desk, I naturally  turn my hands up from the wrist. Have you ever skied without poles and sued your arms to balance as though you had poles. I don't know why but I fell more balnced with my wrists cocked! 

 

As I am sure you know if you drop your shoulder in the bumps you are pretty much immediately on your ass! i can assure you I have no laggin shoulders, particulalry in Pic # 1 & 2. the 3rd pic is kinda weird and i think really exacerbates the problem of still shots. I am somehwere in-between in thi shot!  I think at the very begiinning of transition just starting to rotate my upper body towrds the other direction.

 

in the picture of you in the slalom course, did you inside clear the red gate and is the blue the next gate?

 

Nice shot & layin'em over in the 2nd shot!

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in the picture of you in the slalom course, did you inside clear the red gate and is the blue the next gate?

Blue is the next gate.  I cleared the red with my right pole (see how deceiving photos can be).  I also tend to feel with my inside pole.

 

This is the frame before, & I assure you my left shoulder is cocked back .

 

 

JF

post #16 of 18

I think although very sharp, they are a bit over exposed and the highlights are blown out, perhaps a little oversaturated as well. the action is captured well... oh wait this is the skiing forum ... sorry  Nice turns!

post #17 of 18

Once again great jacket...you know how I feel about the boots

 

For those conditions, how would you say the skis you were on compare to the 88s?  (maybe I need an addition to the quiver).

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Once again great jacket...you know how I feel about the boots

 

For those conditions, how would you say the skis you were on compare to the 88s?  (maybe I need an addition to the quiver).

Richie,

 

the Monster 88 would do just fine in these conditons, although if you skied it back to bakc with the MOJO 94 you would really see how much stiffer the 88 is longitudinally.

 

If i remeber correctly I was nosing around quite a bit off-piste that day on many  the North Facing slopes at Crystal, hence my choice to ski on the 94.

 

The 88 is a bit quicker edge to edge since it is narrower and the 94 does not have Intelligence ttechnology or liquidmetal. But the x-tra width and slightly sofeter overall flex particularly in the tail makes the 94 better in some circumstances. On the otehr hand the 88 gets a bit less flusterd in the tip then the 94 but does have a bit more of a kick to it then the 94.

 

I bought the 94 as my Powder ski, but was amazed, once I tuned it properly how well it does in chop and on the groomed.  With that said it does have a bit more of that awkward edge is along form my boot feel then the 88

 

The 88 does not feel that stiff unless I ski it immediately after skiing the 94 and then wow what a difference in flex!

 

the 88 has a much higher speed limit since the 94 tip can get a bit bouncy at high speed on uneven terrain.

 

I will say I had a boatload of fun on the 94's that day

 

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