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Intuition "Luxury" liners

post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 

Greetings all,


I bought my first pair of Intuition liners for my Lange CRL90 boots this past southern summer, and recently I cooked them.  Well...I cooked them twice, actually, because the heel hold-down the first time was non-existent.  Unfortunately it's just as bad this time.  Yes, I realise that Intuition prefer us not to self-cook, but life in New Zealand is a little different from that in countries with big populations.  Often we have no choice but to DIY.  There might be boot fitters in this country (during the ski season) who would know what to do with a pair of Intuitions, but they could well be hundreds of miles away and finding them is no mean feat.


I studied the instructions on yyzcanuck.com's site (www.yyzcanuck.com/E_tech_cooking.htm) and was fully prepared.  I followed their instructions completely.  The second time around I even watched some videos that I found via links on this site (can't remember those web addresses).  I also changed to a very thin sock the second time.  Both times the second liner seemed a lot hotter than the first one, but since the heel hold-down is poor in both, I doubt that inadequate heat was the problem.  If I look into the boots, it's obvious why the heel hold-down is lacking: I have very small ankles and the liners hardly "come in" at all in that region.  They don't look at all like the original stock liners did when the boots were new, and those liners had fantastic heel hold-down.


So, my question is: is it possible that the action of inserting my foot (with footbed taped to it, inside the sock) into the hot liner pushed so hard at the foam at the back of it that it couldn't reform and make a nice heel pocket?  Is it worth trying again and this time, putting the footbed into the liner before I put the liner into the boot (the idea being that I wouldn't have to push at the back of the liner when getting the footbed into it)?  How many times can an Intuition Luxury be redone, in any case?  Did Intuition give me the right liners for my very-low-volume feet?  (And yes, I realise this is more than one question!!!   )


Very grateful in advance for any help/advice/etc

post #2 of 10

I have a set of luxury liiners as well and the heel holddown is disappointing for me too. There is so much less volume in the ankle area I had to reset the buckles to a different hole and crank them a lot tighter to try and compensate. I cooked them myself and in all other areas they fit great. I don't think cooking will solve the issue.

post #3 of 10

I've had both the Intuition performance model (stiff) and two of the softer versions similar to the Luxury Line. I've had two pair heated professionally and one pair I reheated on my own - twice - after moving them to new boots. All of them hold my foot snugly but the least snug area is the ankle. My boot fitter added pads around the ankle area to make it fit more snugly so he probably knew that it was a not going to fit without the extra padding. I really don't think Intuition liners need to fit tightly around the ankle to perform.

post #4 of 10

First read this thread, Wildcat Post #4 is the method i used.




The liner can be re-heated 3X. I looked at your linky and there are two things i would do different


after the liner comes out of the oven, put your prepared foot, sock, footbed into into the liner, spread the boot shell and put liner, foot and all in. This puts less pressure on the back of the liner than shoving your foot into it after its in the boot but you'll need a partner to spread the shell. Cute blonde worked well for me.


Buckle up your boot, step into you binding, i used two skis, and flex forward into your boot to make a heel pocket. Too much pressure will thin out the back of the liner. Probably what the bang the heel on the floor did.

post #5 of 10

What volume are the liners?  They come in low, medium and high volume.  Your probably want high volume.


Didn't read the instructions, sorry (the below may have been in the instructions). 


With boots and liners heated, I always put my toes on a 2x4 and heels on the floor.  Stay in that position for at least 10 minutes, or at least, don't move your heels. Then I put them in my ski bindings and start smaller ski movements. 





post #6 of 10
Thread Starter 

Sorry for the delay in responding...I thought the system was going to email me when there were posts to this thread!  I'm going overseas in three days and have been a bit busy preparing...


Anyway, BR yes I did put the toes on a 4x2 and heels on the floor, and each time I stayed put for at least 10 minutes, thinking "push down at the heels, push down at the heels".  I used crutches to help me stay in the right position without pushing too much at the boot cuffs and also not locking my knees either.  I have just looked at the email that I got from Intuition when I did the order and it says "I think that the Low Volume Luxury in MP 25 will work best for your boots."  Are you sure that high volume is what I need and not low???  I'm a bit confused as to what the terms actually mean, do they refer to the foot that the liner will suit, or the liner itself???  They originally emailed me to say they would get back to me with more questions but then I got this other email about the low volume and I figured oh well that'll be the right one, then.  


jimmy I did think of putting my foot into the liner and then the liner into the boot, but I practiced ahead of time and I think there is greater control if you are doing it by hand, i.e. it would be easier to prevent wrinkles in the hot liner.  I don't have anyone to hold the shell apart for me so I kind of have to do it this way.


Maybe I'd better write to Intuition and complain???


Thanks for the replies, guys 

post #7 of 10


  I am curious about the pads your bootfitter added to the liners. I'm thinking about trying the same thing. How are they held in place? Glued to the liner or boot shell? How thick? When I look at my factory liners there is an extra piece of padding in the heel area and they had great hold down. Myabe I can copy that but I was uncertain how to hold it in place. Thanks

post #8 of 10
Thread Starter 

Update: I contacted Intuition and they have agreed that they sent the wrong liner.  They are going to send a medium volume liner (they feel that the high-volume will have too much foam for my situation, I guess), along with some foam patches for added heel hold-down.


Many many many many many thanks BR for your note about the different volume liners!  I'd had no idea that this issue existed and without your note it would have been much harder to complain to Intuition seeing as they explicitly dis-recomended self-cooking to me.  (Although it's weird, the next pair are coming with instructions for doing it at home...go figure...)


Also many thanks to all other contributors to this thread.  Yet again this wonderful community shines through!! 

post #9 of 10



The material was similar to the tongue pads that are used to help make shoes that are slightly too big fit more snugly. They're often placed under the tongue on loafers that are slipping around too much. The pads had a self adhesive backing.

The boot fitter actually took  two pads that were probably 2 x 2 inches and cut them in half putting half on either side of the liner right behind my ankle bones and ahead of my Achilles tendon. It seemed to help a little but the liners are so firm I don't think it had as much impact as it would have on stock liners.



post #10 of 10

Hi all ... I just tested some Intuition liners and the shop got me to put the liner on after heating and then step into the shell. This did require assistance, and they warmed the shell in hot water to make it all a bit easier.


Another thing they did was to put my foot with the liner into a thin plastic bag before trying to get into the shell. This seemed to make getting into the shell easier and caused less impact on the liner.


Many of us Aussies use this "plastic bag" method when putting on tight surfing wetsuits. (and no we don't leave the plastic bags on!)

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