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post #31 of 59

Helmet-yes

Chair bar-yes, and I ask people if they mind before pulling it down. I'm terrified of falling/heights. It doesn't matter if I'm probably not going to fall out of the chair without it.

 

And I don't huck off cliffs either....

 

post #32 of 59

Bars, yes, as far back as I can remember, bars were always installed on chairlifts here nad I always made use of those.

Helmets, yes, this is my second full season with a melon saver.

And, yes, sometimes I listen to music while on the chairlift, and sometimes while skiing.

And yes, my cell phone is plugged to the helmet ear-pads embedded earphones (that's where the music comes from as well) and if someone rings me up I reply.

And I'm not brilliant...

In fact, I'm Nobody.

post #33 of 59

One more thread showing the Nanny-State location is creating some weird biases for Lars.  No bar to put down, Lars.  Do I worry about that?  Not really.  I'm very confident in my ability to sit in a chair.  I was taught how to do this at a very young age.  In many years of skiing, I've never seen any adult injured by falling out of a chair who wasn't a) farking around b) sleeping or c) drunk, refer back to a).  Pete's story of some morons jumping off a lift is just a variation on point a).

 

OTOH, I scrape brush with my head most days I ski.  That is a result of a personal choice to ski in unprepared wooded areas.  I like steep woods, and I like not having my hat and goggles ripped off my head.

 

In perhaps the most litigious region of the world, the fact that much of the country doesn't mandate or even install safety bars should be a strong clue to their actual value:  They make people feel better about sitting in a chair suspended in the air.  Humans don't judge risk rationally.

post #34 of 59
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One more thread showing the Nanny-State location is creating some weird biases for Lars.  No bar to put down, Lars.  Do I worry about that?  Not really.  I'm very confident in my ability to sit in a chair.  I was taught how to do this at a very young age.  In many years of skiing, I've never seen any adult injured by falling out of a chair who wasn't a) farking around b) sleeping or c) drunk, refer back to a).  Pete's story of some morons jumping off a lift is just a variation on point a).

 

OTOH, I scrape brush with my head most days I ski.  That is a result of a personal choice to ski in unprepared wooded areas.  I like steep woods, and I like not having my hat and goggles ripped off my head.

 

In perhaps the most litigious region of the world, the fact that much of the country doesn't mandate or even install safety bars should be a strong clue to their actual value:  They make people feel better about sitting in a chair suspended in the air.  Humans don't judge risk rationally.


No weird bias Garret. no need to get testy and no one is forceing you to participate in any of these threads so, maybe you should move on.
 

 

The point I'm trying to make is this, people claim to use a helmet for safety reasons but think nothing about riding hundreds of feet in the air without a lift restraint bar down. and yes, lift accidents do happen. A young man was killed at Tahoe this year as well as another at my resort last year as well as many others around the world. do some research on the topic. There was just a big accident this year in Switzerland. I've been on Patrol when people have fallen out of chairs and the result isn't pretty.

 

Those of you who ski ith helmets should leave it in the car next time you ski. See how it affects your thoughts about skiing. See if it alters how you ski, where you ski.

post #35 of 59

 

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I think you are not picturing the typical scenario.  It's not from the back or the side.

 


My procedure is that everyone should be fully seated, and the chair cleared of the loading area, before the bar comes down.  You don't pull it down while people are still in the process of loading.

I suppose I may have prevented that from happening to me by having my hands free to grab it and stop it if I see it coming down before I'm ready for it.  I know I've stopped the center post from hitting me before when it's coming down at my  it's true you shouldn't have to defend yourself in that regard, but that's life.

post #36 of 59

You know the saying: "There's one on every bus, if you aren't able to pick 'em out... well it just may be YOU"

 

I think that's the case with the 'Gaper' comments about dropping the safety bar. I've skied with a few bears, I see quite a few of the posts... I'm envisioning most of you futzing with your carbon Leki Trigger pole/glove interface, trying to adjust 'pro-sumer' 'semi plug boot' buckles under boot covers while trying to roll down your neoprene 'butt warmer' flap and turn on/off your turbo fan on the goggles... maybe even adjusting a 'power switch' on your ski... uhmmm, yeah. It might be you. Have a nice day.

post #37 of 59

 

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Nothing personal skier.....but..

 

Actually, it happens when the gaper doesn't get his/her head out from beside or behind the chair while it is pulling away from the wheelhouse-when folks tend to lower the bars.

 

I've ridden hundreds of different chairlifts and don't really make a big deal about the bar being up or down.  But I've NEVER, never,  EVER been hit in the head by the bar.  I'm average an average sized guy.  Keep your head over your shoulders and not hanging off the side or back of the chair folks

 

 


OK, new thread! I have been hit several times!  Also, watch those knees too. I can get a little nervous if wearing a camelbak with high winds on a lift. I don't mind the bar down at all but OK if not.
 

post #38 of 59

 

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You know the saying: "There's one on every bus, if you aren't able to pick 'em out... well it just may be YOU"

 

I think that's the case with the 'Gaper' comments about dropping the safety bar. I've skied with a few bears, I see quite a few of the posts... I'm envisioning most of you futzing with your carbon Leki Trigger pole/glove interface, trying to adjust 'pro-sumer' 'semi plug boot' buckles under boot covers while trying to roll down your neoprene 'butt warmer' flap and turn on/off your turbo fan on the goggles... maybe even adjusting a 'power switch' on your ski... uhmmm, yeah. It might be you. Have a nice day.


post #39 of 59

Hey i have a turbo fan..... It must mean..... Yes, I am.........

post #40 of 59

 

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How many of you out there ski with a helmet on, but won't ride with the lift restrain bar down?

 

I find it strange that people wear a helmet for safety but think nothing about riding a lift without putting the bar down.


Dude--What is your deal?  Is your incessant perpetuation of these threads a way to:  1) be lamely provocative; 2) tacitly excuse unsafe behavior on your part by seeking ratification for that unsafe behavior from people you don't know and who don't know you; 3) reach out for any type of human interaction, no matter how annoying; 4) fill up lonely days behind bars; or 5) just to be a pain in the butt?
 

 

By the way, no matter which number you pick--or even if your motivation is not on the list--it just doesn't matter. Go ski, or fish, or take a walk. 

post #41 of 59

 

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do some research on the topic.

I have.  The lifts themselves are some of the safest transportation on earth.  You need to take your own advice.  Some kid screwing around at Tahoe failed Darwin's test.  Yes, lift "accidents" do happen.  I'm not concerned.  If you fail the sitting in a chair test, we don't really need you reproducing.  If the lift itself actually fails in a way spectacular enough to be truly dangerous good luck with that safety bar...you might as well wear a helmet and run yourself into a tree at speed.  Don't worry too much:  You are more likely to be killed by lightning.

 

If you think riding the lift is near the same magnitude as dangerous as skiing, I'm very sorry for you.  Having a government that treats you like a child does engender biases like that.

post #42 of 59

 

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You are more likely to be killed by lightning.

 


Now there's a comforting thought.  Anybody ever been on a lift (a huge elevated structure from the top of a mountain all the way to the bottom of a mountain made almost entirely of steel) in a rainstorm and heard THUNDER?

post #43 of 59

Nearly happened to us in March at Alta -- a case of "thunder snow".  They got everyone off and shut the lifts down PRONTO!

 

Edit to note that my first reaction was that it seemed odd they were shooting off avy-bombs at 3:30pm in the afternoon.  Nope, not the same ba-boom!

post #44 of 59

 

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Nearly happened to us in March at Alta -- a case of "thunder snow".  They got everyone off and shut the lifts down PRONTO!


Nice, I've been lucky enough to see a couple of those.  Really, really surreal and cool.

post #45 of 59

I've seen it enough, but never while skiing.  I sure think about it whenever I end up skiing in the rain, especially if it went from pretty cold to warm enough to rain quickly.  Imagine riding the lift, have it stop and get stuck, then hearing thunder.  Although, might you be safe as long as you weren't grounded by anything else, just like a bird or squirrel on a power line?

post #46 of 59

 

No one has ever falling out of their helmet and lost their pants.  

post #47 of 59

 

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Can you see the point of this question though?

 

some people wear a helmet because they feel safer doing so, but don't use the lift restraint bar that also may prevent serious injury, head trauma and death.

 

Why is that? Do they feel safer not putting the bar down? Is it not cool to put the bar down?

 

" I wear a helmet cause it's safer to ski with one on." "What, put the safety bar down? Why?"

Why do people wear helmets skiing but not when they drive their cars? The overwhelming majority of traumatic brain injuries are the result of automobile accidents.

post #48 of 59

 

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The point I'm trying to make is this, people claim to use a helmet for safety reasons but think nothing about riding hundreds of feet in the air without a lift restraint bar down. and yes, lift accidents do happen. A young man was killed at Tahoe this year as well as another at my resort last year as well as many others around the world. do some research on the topic. There was just a big accident this year in Switzerland. I've been on Patrol when people have fallen out of chairs and the result isn't pretty.

 

 

 

I almost always wear a helmet (I've taken it off sometimes when teaching on the bunny hill on very warm days) and almost always put the "safety" bar down on chairlifts that have one.  I'm not a big fan of lifts that don't have one, especially if the chair isn't very deep.  I'm tall, so this may affect me more than some other people.

 

Chairlift accidents are very very rare, and a restraint bar can't always help you.  But falling off a chairlift really sucks.

 

That said, if I had to choose one or the other, I'd go with a helmet.  You can be careful and not do stupid things on a chairlift, and that probably eliminates 99% of the (very rare) risk of falling off.  It can be impossible sometimes to avoid other people's stupidity while you're skiing.  (Plus, I'm way more likely to be clocked in the head with a lift bar really hard than to fall off the chair.)

 

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Those of you who ski ith helmets should leave it in the car next time you ski. See how it affects your thoughts about skiing. See if it alters how you ski, where you ski.

 

I actually had to do this for a couple days this season when my helmet was stolen during a lesson (on the bunny hill, on a very warm day in early March.)

 

It did make me a bit more focused on not catching an edge in the springtime slush/crud, and I paid a little more attention if I heard people coming up behind me (I also got hit by a snowboarder from behind earlier this season, fortunately with no injuries.)  I didn't ski in the moguls at Wachusett without a helmet -- but I'm terrible in moguls, so my chance of wiping out there is pretty decent.  I don't normally spend very much time in terrain parks, but I won't go off jumps or rails without a helmet.

 

In all those situations, I feel like a helmet would be very likely to help me if something unexpected did happen.

 

Risk compensation while I'm wearing the helmet?  Maybe a little.  But since I can't eliminate some risks even by being careful personally, and I could still fall and smack my head even if I'm as careful as I can possibly be, I think it's a good idea.

post #49 of 59

i use the bar because I have a pertty severe fear of heights and it makes me feel more at ease. 

 

 

post #50 of 59

 

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Why do people wear helmets skiing but not when they drive their cars? The overwhelming majority of traumatic brain injuries are the result of automobile accidents.


What makes you think I take it off when I get in the car?  

post #51 of 59

Your point (that it's just as important as a helmet) has been made. The retort is that it doesn't really do anything to put the bar down; it simply serves as a security blanket. If you feel safer with the bar, then by all means please lower it. Some people don't use it because we're not going to fall out of the chair. If there's anything I worry about whilst sitting on the chair lift, it's either: 

1) dropping a piece of equipment

2) the chair on which I'm sitting falling off the line, in which case, I'm screwed whether or not the bar has been lowered.

I go either way: since I usually ride the singles line, if nobody in the chair in which I'm riding lowers the bar I'll either ask or I won't bother lowering it. In the rare instance I ride alone, I lower the bar because it's like riding in a car with the safety belt fastened: I do it because it's no trouble and it's more comfortable.

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No weird bias Garret. no need to get testy and no one is forceing you to participate in any of these threads so, maybe you should move on.
 

 

The point I'm trying to make is this, people claim to use a helmet for safety reasons but think nothing about riding hundreds of feet in the air without a lift restraint bar down. and yes, lift accidents do happen. A young man was killed at Tahoe this year as well as another at my resort last year as well as many others around the world. do some research on the topic. There was just a big accident this year in Switzerland. I've been on Patrol when people have fallen out of chairs and the result isn't pretty.

 

Those of you who ski ith helmets should leave it in the car next time you ski. See how it affects your thoughts about skiing. See if it alters how you ski, where you ski.

 

post #52 of 59
Thread Starter 

Ya, I don't put the bar down mainly because I had to constantly yell for people to put theirs down. The other reason is it's a bit more of a thrill to be a hundred feet in the air without a lap belt or bar on like you would have on a roller coaster, which I love. Sometimes, riding the chairs and viewing the mountains and breathing the fresh air is as much fun as skiing. and, I'll admit, in the afternoon, I'm more apt to put the bar down to rest my ole legs from the bump burn.

 

Hey, I just got an idea for another thread.

post #53 of 59

We used to lower the "bar" so we could hang out Scott strapless poles on it while we pound a couple beers and/or smoke

post #54 of 59

 

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One more thread showing the Nanny-State location is creating some weird biases for Lars.

 

I certainly hope you plan on sending your Social Security checks back when you reach 65. On principle, of course...

Good luck finding health insurance that's not subsidized by Medicare, too, BTW...

post #55 of 59

Sorry, but those topics bear no relation whatsoever to this one.  If you read the private forums you'd know I don't complain about taxes and I'm a proponent of massive healthcare reform of the "socialist" variety.

 

Leaving the bar up on a lift isn't unsafe.  Where Lars lives, it is illegal.  His dubious claims of slippery slopes and so on appear strongly influenced by a government that makes simple, unimportant choices for him by force.

post #56 of 59

 

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Nothing personal skier.....but..

 

Actually, it happens when the gaper doesn't get his/her head out from beside or behind the chair while it is pulling away from the wheelhouse-when folks tend to lower the bars.

 

I've ridden hundreds of different chairlifts and don't really make a big deal about the bar being up or down.  But I've NEVER, never,  EVER been hit in the head by the bar.  I'm average an average sized guy.  Keep your head over your shoulders and not hanging off the side or back of the chair folks

 

 


I never got clipped by the bar before I started to wear a helmet, but it happens a few times a season now.  I conclude, perhaps incorrectly, that if I were 2 inches taller it would have been happening all along.

 

I like to put the bar down, especially when I am wearing a pack that shoves me forward.  Plus, I 'm short enough that I can use the foot rest on most lifts that have them.  Again, if I were 2 inches taller there are a lot that wouldn't work for me.

 

I always wait till people finish getting situated, then ask "Want the bar?" or "Mind if I put the bar down" or sometimes just "ready for the bar?"

post #57 of 59

 

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We used to lower the "bar" so we could hang out Scott strapless poles on it while we pound a couple beers and/or smoke


Oh, and I still have scott strapless poles and still hang them on the bar. Watch out for mid-stations, though!

post #58 of 59

I don't put the bar down when I'm riding by myself. Useless, and uncomfortable if it has footrest (I'm too short to use it). But if someone else wants it down, I'll put up with it.

 

I also don't wear helmet all the time. I do when it's cold. I do when I KNOW I'm heading into the trees or off-piste. I even wear it when I'm NOT sure I'll be just cruising. Rest of the time, I don't bother. When it's hot, I purposely leave it behind.

I have no dependents so my risk is mine to take. My income means I pay more than my fair share of Medicare anyway. So if my risk taking action allows me to use more of the benefit, you'll just have to deal with it! 

 

Nanny state my ar$$!

post #59 of 59

I wear a helmet because my wife makes me.  I wear a backpack to carry all the imprtant stuff.  Backpack causes me to get hit in the head a lot by the bar. 

 

Smart wife.

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