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So can someone help me with all the choices you have to make when buying twin tip skis?

 

I am looking to use the ski for mainly hardpack type conditions. It will be used on steeps, glades, bumps and park jumps and of course groomers to get around the mountain. I have in mind the Line Chronic, 4FRNT MSP, or Armada AR6. What I am not sure of is are these the best choices for what I am looking to do.

 

What I want to know is what would be better contiuous flex or a softer tip and tail? What about rocking chair effect? Sidewall or cap construction? Rebound tip? Stiff tail? Sidecut? Base type? Other factors I have missed?

 

If I had to describe what I am looking for it would be carving performance, lightness and playfullness and ability to run through bumps.

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I'd recommend a demo of the MSP before deciding on that one.  I was not a fan of the dual-radius sidecut, and in my opinion it's a significant enough part of the ski that it deserves a demo.

 

Based on your other questions, I'd say you are over thinking this "on paper".  You either need to demo, or narrow down your choice by looking at the ski's overall mission rather than the individual specs and characteristics.

 

A universal recommendation in this category is the K2 PE / Extreme.  Hard to go wrong with that choice.  For something wider, Head Mojo 94.

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Thanks for the info skier219. I am not familiar with the concept of dual radius sidecut and what impact that will have on skiing. Could you explain? Is it that the radius in the front is different than the back? Would this make it easier to wiggle thru trees?

 

I have intentions of trying skis before buying. The trick is finding twin tips to demo. In the meantime I cannot demo every twin tip I see so I need to hone in on what I should be looking for.

 

I liked the K2 Extreme and what it's intended use was listed as but had the opportunity to see a demo pair and immediately decided that I did not want a ski that would get as hacked up as that ski does. Not sure if you have seen them after being used. The few pairs that were shown to me all had very serious topsheet damage and they looked like crap. I do not want to own something that has zero resale value all because of poor design.

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I liked the K2 Extreme and what it's intended use was listed as but had the opportunity to see a demo pair and immediately decided that I did not want a ski that would get as hacked up as that ski does. Not sure if you have seen them after being used. The few pairs that were shown to me all had very serious topsheet damage and they looked like crap. I do not want to own something that has zero resale value all because of poor design.


Fair point. Most of the Extremes I've seen around have had horrendously hacked up topsheets. Of course, they're being ridden by kids who spent half their day hanging upside down in the air and the other half sliding on rails, so maybe its not so strange - but the other boards these kids are riding don't exhibit anything like the same degree of damage.

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Thanks for the info skier219. I am not familiar with the concept of dual radius sidecut and what impact that will have on skiing. Could you explain? Is it that the radius in the front is different than the back? Would this make it easier to wiggle thru trees?

 

I have intentions of trying skis before buying. The trick is finding twin tips to demo. In the meantime I cannot demo every twin tip I see so I need to hone in on what I should be looking for.

 

I liked the K2 Extreme and what it's intended use was listed as but had the opportunity to see a demo pair and immediately decided that I did not want a ski that would get as hacked up as that ski does. Not sure if you have seen them after being used. The few pairs that were shown to me all had very serious topsheet damage and they looked like crap. I do not want to own something that has zero resale value all because of poor design.


Correct, the MSP has a different sidecut shape in the front and back.  You can look on 4FRNT's website to see what they think the benefit is (and it's a bit dubious the way it's pitched in my opinion).

 

Durability of the PE is very much dependent on the skier.  I get a lot of use out of my 06/07 models, and they look fine.  

 

I mounted a pair of Extremes for a friend this year, and the topsheet is a different construction than the PE.  I have no idea what it's made of or if it's more durable, but it's definitely not the same old die-cut ptex used on the PEs.

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Edited by Gavin - 5/1/2009 at 03:47 am GMT


Edited by Gavin - 5/1/2009 at 03:48 am GMT
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I would recommend to not get the MSPs.... they have zero durrability... I tried to get a warranty claim on the skis, but 4frnt wouldnt replace them despite the edges coming off(?).  I ride very very hard and have dropped countless large sized cliffs, big jumps this year, so that is part of the problem.  But in my opinion a company should either stand by their product or just make a ski thats actually fit for more than just one season

 This is one of the more wonderful posts of the season. Imagine a ski company refusing to replace a ski when it delams after a season of "countless large sized cliffs, big jumps..." Hey a stand up company would accept a box of wood chips and agree it's covered by warranty. Definitely zero durability! 

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I am unaware of any top sheet issues with the MSP. I know for a fact that the K2 Extreme is terrible for easy topsheet damage and I think that is unfair and certainly the only reason I would not buy that ski. I may consider the older K2 PE model though as I am hearing that it may be better.


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