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post #1 of 18
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Hello all, New to the board. I, well not new to skiing it sure does seem like it. Let me explain, I have been skiing for over 15 years but have taken the past 5 years off until this season. My love for skiing has been revived. The problem i am having is where to begin in looking for a new pair of skis.  This year i used what i had from years ago. 1st or 2nd generation 184 Bandit X(i think 98 or 99) Since this seems to be the time to buy gear at a great price. I never have bought from demos since i live in SC where ski shops are few and far between and not sure NC mtns have demo days. If i could get some help on what would work best for me as a starting point it would be appreciated.

I am 6' 190 and stay on groomers majority of the time, except when i get a chance to go out west, mostly NC, will travel to snowshoe WV for a long weekend a year and will be restarting my yearly week long trip out west next year. What skis fit this range and what length should they be. What will work for hard groomers but will also get me through pow on my west trips. It is about 50/50 East West coast Skiing. 5-6 Days East Coast and a week out West is all i can get in. Thanks

post #2 of 18

SkiVived, first I suggest you forget about skis and invest in a new pair of boots.  Finding a good boot-fitter in NC is going to be like winning the lottery so I would wait until you get out west next season and find a shop that knows what they are doing.  I'll tell you what I tell all my friends, don't try to buy discount boots, you'll pay ten-fold on the mountain!  So if you must buy skis, based on your profile, I would start with Ski Mag gear review for this year, look under the category of All Mountain Cruiser and start hunting through the Internet.  At the end of the season their are good deals from shops who want to dump inventory.  At your height, weight & ability you're probally looking for a 175 length.

post #3 of 18

Good advice on boots. Most important part of your quiver

post #4 of 18
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Got you on the Boots, Would never buy on internet or around home. Already planning on spending 1st day out west in a boot shop. Thuogh that may be March '10. I have been searching the web and saw many ski review results leading me to EPIC. That is how i found you guys. I thought yall could help me narrow down specific models For what i mentioned in my OP.

post #5 of 18

Welcome to Epic!  Once you have boots lined up, I will throw out two ski choices that I think are good 50/50 east/west skis, and they are likable skis on top of that:  Head iM82 in 177cm or 183cm, and Dynastar Legend 8000 in 178cm or 184cm.  Note that next year's replacements for these skis will be called the Peak 82 and Sultan 80, respectively.  Choose the size that makes sense to you, shorter for emphasis on eastern conditions, longer for emphasis on western powder/crud.  Good luck!

post #6 of 18

Can't help it, I'm a Volkl lover (3 pair; 7-24, AC4 & Mantra).  I would also suggest the AC20 or AC30 as a good east/west all mountain ski.  Oh and welcome back to skiing, why did you ever leave?

post #7 of 18

Do you know about what level skier you are?  What did you like and not like about your Bandit X skis?  Based on those likes/dislikes, is there something specific you are really looking for in a new pair?  Those answers would help narrow things down.  I feel your pain on the demo front, since I live in the greater Charlotte area in NC!

post #8 of 18
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Got married, 2 kids and short on time. Got my feet under me again this year and onto teaching kid 1 next year. Any remarks on these options, Mythic Rider, Watea 84, Prophit 90. I think by searching the web 90mm waist would be max for Southeast coast skiing and would sufice for a good pow day out west. I am thinking mid 80s to 90 max. How about flex, am i on the right track with mid firm range.

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Originally Posted by hobbes429 View Post

Do you know about what level skier you are?  What did you like and not like about your Bandit X skis?  Based on those likes/dislikes, is there something specific you are really looking for in a new pair?  Those answers would help narrow things down.  I feel your pain on the demo front, since I live in the greater Charlotte area in NC!


Well i thought i knew alot about skiing untill i began reading this forum. Sounds like alot of experience and knowledge floating around. When i was skiing in the past i didnt pay much attention to what i liked and didnt like, as long as they didnt break got me down the hill and i could keep parallel lines i was happy. I do like short tight turns on our >100' vert hills. I would say advanced 7 to mabey 8. Ski blacks with confidence and love to lay it down on blues. Not looking for a soft flex ski i do know that.
 

 

post #10 of 18

You are correct there is alot of great people on this forum, and you can learn alot by just asking. But dont worry if you stick around you will learn if they razz you then you have been welcomed.

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Well i thought i knew alot about skiing untill i began reading this forum. Sounds like alot of experience and knowledge floating around. When i was skiing in the past i didnt pay much attention to what i liked and didnt like, as long as they didnt break got me down the hill and i could keep parallel lines i was happy. I do like short tight turns on our >100' vert hills. I would say advanced 7 to mabey 8. Ski blacks with confidence and love to lay it down on blues. Not looking for a soft flex ski i do know that.
 

 



 

 

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Originally Posted by hobbes429 View Post

Do you know about what level skier you are?  What did you like and not like about your Bandit X skis?  Based on those likes/dislikes, is there something specific you are really looking for in a new pair?  Those answers would help narrow things down.  I feel your pain on the demo front, since I live in the greater Charlotte area in NC!

How greater are you. China Grove Myself.

 

post #11 of 18

You've got 2 inches in height and 25 lbs. on me, but there are a lot of similarities in what you describe as skiing ability and preferences.  If you do like short, tight turns, check on the natural turning radius of the skis you look at.  Some are better than others at multiple turn shapes, but it helps if the ski's natural turn shape is right up your alley!  If you do decide to go a bit narrower, I agree with skier219 on the Legend 8000 and would check out the Head IM 78 as well.

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Originally Posted by SkiVived View Post

Got married, 2 kids and short on time. Got my feet under me again this year and onto teaching kid 1 next year. Any remarks on these options, Mythic Rider, Watea 84, Prophit 90. I think by searching the web 90mm waist would be max for Southeast coast skiing and would sufice for a good pow day out west. I am thinking mid 80s to 90 max. How about flex, am i on the right track with mid firm range.


These are all good western skis (except I'd pick the Watea 94 over the 84 for sure) but not the best choice for east coast.  They are passable on hard snow, but not ideal.  Try to go 76-85mm waist, with metal layers, for a good east/west ski.

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How greater are you. China Grove Myself.

 


Guy I know from work grew up there.

post #14 of 18

I have the 8000's and Mythics (3 pairs of each in different parts of the continent), and think that the Mythic might be a bit much for the least coast, in fact, I don't keep a pair there, as the L8k covers 97.5% of the conditions that'll be encountered, and they're decent powder skis in the off chance you actually get some.

 

You'll see the 8K's suggested a lot for good reason. I just got another pair from dawgcatching for under $400 with bindings - hard to argue at that price.

post #15 of 18

You say you want to make short, tight turns here in the East, so I would cross the Mythic Rider off your list for sure (although I like that ski a lot for other conditions).  As a matter of fact, the Legend 8000 may be a bit sluggish for your tastes, although it is a very solid, versatile ski, and will make short turns with good technique.

 

I think the Atomic Blackeye could work well for you, and can second the other posters' recommendations of the Head iM78 (East Coast bias), Head iM82 (probably 50-50 East/West), and Volkl AC30 (although it is a little stiffer than "mid-firm").

post #16 of 18

Hi - I also split time east and west, tend to use different skis, but if I could only have one for both, weighed what you do, and preferred groomers, it'd be one of the following:  

 

Elan 82 Ti 

Head iM82

Blizzard Magnum 8.7

Kastle MX88

 

The Elans can be had now for the $500 range, (or less, check with Dawgcatching), the Heads for less, same or just cruise online, the 8.7's will be hard to find but check with ptex, and the Kastle's will be even harder, and not cheap, but check with Whiteroom. I own the Kastles for out west, just an amazing ski, a real keeper. Have owned or demoed the rest, all great skis.

 

But disclaimer: All also expect a skill set. Be honest with yourself. If these days you're more of a high intermediate, you'll be happier with any of the above in the next width down (iM78, 78 Ti, 8.1, MX78). These versions will be easier to turn, still excellent at what you want and good for someone your size, if anything more predisposed toward groomers, happier at lower to moderate speeds than the first group. 

post #17 of 18

Okay, I'll throw another 2 cents in.  I had the Bandit X for a lot of years and loved it.  If the skis are in good shape and you'll spend some time teaching your kids next year I would suggest stick to the Bandit for a while and demo a few pairs of skis when you're out west, the shop you buy your boots at will be more than happy to help.  The Bandit was a good all around ski and probably still is.  Amazingly enough when it was introduced it was considered a mid-fat ski and now it would be considered an all mountain cruiser/carver based on its dimensions.  My Volkl Mantra in last years Ski Mag was a powder ski, now it's an all mountain ski.  Today buying skis can be more confusing then ever.

 

Renting or demos will give you a little more direction in the type of ski you're looking for.  Since you're a mostly blue skier I wouldn't get hung up on east/west ski just look for a good all mountain ski that you are comfortable on and can cut an edge.  I 100% agree with one of the other comments, stay with a ski around 80 mm at the waist. 

post #18 of 18
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Okay, I'll throw another 2 cents in.  I had the Bandit X for a lot of years and loved it.  If the skis are in good shape and you'll spend some time teaching your kids next year I would suggest stick to the Bandit for a while and demo a few pairs of skis when you're out west, the shop you buy your boots at will be more than happy to help.  The Bandit was a good all around ski and probably still is.  Amazingly enough when it was introduced it was considered a mid-fat ski and now it would be considered an all mountain cruiser/carver based on its dimensions.  My Volkl Mantra in last years Ski Mag was a powder ski, now it's an all mountain ski.  Today buying skis can be more confusing then ever.

 

Renting or demos will give you a little more direction in the type of ski you're looking for.  Since you're a mostly blue skier I wouldn't get hung up on east/west ski just look for a good all mountain ski that you are comfortable on and can cut an edge.  I 100% agree with one of the other comments, stay with a ski around 80 mm at the waist. 


Thank you all for your insight. It is brain racking trying to search the web read reviews and narrow a list. I am shocked at how much skis have changed/grown since last time i bought gear. I remember skiing CO in 2001 saw someone on Bandit XXX and those were Fat skis and probably under 100mm waist.
 

Bob, dont get me wrong. I stay on Blacks most of the day, but when i need a break it is just plain fun to rip it on some blues. I also still like my bandits just think that after 9-10 years it is time to step into the world of new Skis.

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