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08 Dynastar Legend Pro Rider, 176cm review

post #1 of 14
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This is a review and my impressions of the LP, 176cms, a ski that has a great reputation among good skiers, but generally in longer lengths that will probably be too stiff for my weight...(TGR, Sierra Jim, et al)

 

Me...5'8", 155 lbs, level 8-ish (who knows), primary ski = Blizzard Magnum 8.7, 174cm..

Where....Alpine Meadows, 3/31 & 4/1, spring conds. 28-40 F, no new snow

 

Impressions:  This is a heavy ski in more ways than one, altho the clunky PX12 Demo binders didn't help but they allowed me to move fore and aft from mid-sole...124-97-116mm, turn rad. 26m, titanal sandwich, mixed wood core (?, mixed with what...toothpaste), race room construction (whatever that means, kinda sexy though)..

 

This is a stiff ski for me...Early AM hard snow, kinda bouncy  but settles down with forward pressure, and at high edge angles can make smooth, round, medium and long turns....very smooth and stable as speeds increased...

The first thing I noticed was that the LP would ONLY do what you told it to do...Without input I would have been doing Mach Snell on the hard snow....no speed limit that I could find, altho. at my age I was rather chicken to find the limits...Did I mention smooth and stable?

As snow softened by 10.30 AM, the LP was a real joy, and I was able to make small, med, and long turns with little effort at ANY speed...I can see why this ski is prized by many....smooth as silk, but you have to supply the input....

Soft bumps were O.K., hard bumps were scary...This ski has a balanced flex, stiff but balanced...

I found that the mid-sole mark worked best for my 295mm BSL (tried 2 cms fore/aft) even in the PM mashed potatoes, which the LP blew through like it wasn't there...in soft snow and some powder off-trail the LP cruised BELOW the surface, floated, but like a bottom feeder rather than a surface glider...

 

My son, 5'11, 195 lbs who skis a Head iM78, 177, which does a lot of the turning for you tried the LP for one run, and came back shaking his head saying that he would kill himself at how fast he was going....again this ski does NOT ski itself but depends on your input...

 

Overall, this is a keeper for me....a skier's ski that's versatile, stable, with metal (for running over tourists in the chutes), and very enjoyable, albeit rather demanding...

 

post #2 of 14
Thread Starter 

Hi,

 

Can anyone compare these to the 08 Nordica Enforcer flat tail?

 

I'm thinking of replacing with the Enforcer, but have not been able to demo...

 

Dawgcatching, Sierra Jim?

 

Thanks...

 

post #3 of 14

the "mixed wood core" is wood milled out in the middle for strips of rohacell, which is a synthetic material. it's more a of a good thing. don't think "foam" like in a sally cap ski. it really is a high quality  material.

post #4 of 14

I already have the Contact 4x4 in 172cm which is a fantastic ski. Thinking of getting the 08/09 Pro Rider as my wide ski. Would this be a good choice in a 2 ski quiver?

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I already have the Contact 4x4 in 172cm which is a fantastic ski. Thinking of getting the 08/09 Pro Rider as my wide ski. Would this be a good choice in a 2 ski quiver?



 

it would cover your bases very nicely, actually. however, if you are going with the LP because you want a really beefy, punchy ski, then get the '08 and earlier vintages, as the '09 and up has been somewhat neutered. yes, i have riden both. and no, neither are NOODLES. in fact, they are both rather stiff by CONVENTIONAL standards. but there is a VERY noticeable difference in chargitude between the two model years. the decreased stiffness will make the newer LP more accessible to most skiers, but it is no longer the iconic ski that the truly charging used to seek out... but, OTOH, while decreasing the crud performance (what most people bought this ski for), softening the ski almost certainly increased its soft-snow performance (what YOU intend to use this ski for), while still maintaining decent versatility

 

for reference, i have a four ski quiver which includes a 178cm 4x4 and a 187cm xxl, and if i had to narrow my quiver down to just TWO skis, it would be those two. i have a softer twin-tip for serious bumps and park and a SUPER fatty rockered ski for uber pow days, but i could easily do without either. the old LP and the XXL are not THAT different, either. we are talking about differences of about 10%, maybe 20% TOPS.

post #6 of 14

Well, I got a deal at my local store this afternoon in a 176cm . Will be trying them out tomorrow.

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Well, I got a deal at my local store this afternoon in a 176cm . Will be trying them out tomorrow.



 

let us know how it goes. that really is a pretty good 2 ski quiver

post #8 of 14

The perfect 2 ski quiver - for me, Dynastar Pro Rider 176 and Dynastar Mythic Rider 172. (I'm 5' 7" @ 155lbs).  The Pro Rider has no outside limit, handles anything (save for real bumps), is brutally stable, holds an edge as good as or better than any carving ski I've ever ridden, skis great in crud and really shines in all depths of powder, especially bottomless.  After skiing the Pro Rider for a few days - jump on the MR - it is like a toy, easy to throw around and handles everything well - just plain easier to ski than the Pro Rider (I do notice some chatter when on hard pack if sitting back a little).  If I had to pick one, it would be the Pro Rider - a dream ski that covers all bases.

post #9 of 14

 

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The perfect 2 ski quiver - for me, Dynastar Pro Rider 176 and Dynastar Mythic Rider 172. (I'm 5' 7" @ 155lbs).  The Pro Rider has no outside limit, handles anything (save for real bumps), is brutally stable, holds an edge as good as or better than any carving ski I've ever ridden, skis great in crud and really shines in all depths of powder, especially bottomless.  After skiing the Pro Rider for a few days - jump on the MR - it is like a toy, easy to throw around and handles everything well - just plain easier to ski than the Pro Rider (I do notice some chatter when on hard pack if sitting back a little).  If I had to pick one, it would be the Pro Rider - a dream ski that covers all bases.



 

holy overlap, batman! i used to always buy skis that were middle of the road, and i ended up with a quiver of identical skis... then i learned that a QUIVER should be DRASTIC differences, not 10% here and 10% there

post #10 of 14

I got up to Whistler Sunday and Monday and was on the 08/09 176cm Legend Pro Riders mounted with Elan (tyrolia) ELX 14 bindings (no lifters). Monday was the best day as we had several inches of new snow. Ideal for testing out my new skis. First of all this ski is stable! I thought they might be too short and soft but they are really not bad. They need speed to come alive. They gave me the confidence to bomb down the mountain without a second thought. There were a couple of times when I could have done with a bit more length but 99% of the time they were just fine. I found the ski to be very maneuverable in soft snow and soft bumps. They are light and easy turn / pivot in tight spots. Having said that, there is no auto pilot on this ski. The skier has to be on top of it at all times. On harder groomers it took a while to get use to the width. This is the widest ski I've been on at 100mm. I felt they carved very well (longer turns without rushing the transition) as long as you got some speed and your edges up. This is not a ski for banging out SR turns. At slow speeds they are like two dead planks. In summary I really enjoyed these skis in soft ungroomed conditions we had. I liked the feel of the extra width in those condition. Great for going fast and maneuverable when required. I would say ok on groomed runs back to the lift and icy slopes might be trouble, but that's not what they are made for. I love my contact 4x4's as these are probably the best ski I've ever owed but the Pro Riders are really nice off piste.

post #11 of 14

Ski them - there is far more than 10% difference - they are different animals. 

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Ski them - there is far more than 10% difference - they are different animals. 


Agree 100%. They are quite complimentary.

post #13 of 14
Thread Starter 

RMG65

 

I am going just with the 176 LPs as my 1-quiver system....keep the edges SHARP!... See review above....

 

I have a Blizzard 8.7 magnum 174 as a backup for rock hard snow, but I have more fun on the 176 LPs...

and the 8.7 Mag will be on the block....

 

The 8.7 Mag was for me way better than the Mythic Rider, but the LPs are better than either IMO....

 

I am 5'-7", 155 lbs like you, and ski Tahoe a lot...

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post #14 of 14

Another vote for this ski.  I have the 177 Head im78's since last year and picked up a pair of 186 LP's around January.  I haven't touched my im78's since.  The LP's do everything well.  Very stable, fast ski, that will bust through everything.  In fact, I'm thinking of selling my im78's as the LP is a great one ski quiver, in my opinion.  Though that won't last long, as I want a 110mm+ ski now, haha...

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