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Skins for 09 Gotamas ?

post #1 of 15
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Last week I thought I found a on line that had skins cut to fit the skis. This week I can't find the site.

 

Does anyone know if there is a site that has skins made for these or should I just buy 130mm skins and trim to fit?

 

Thanks,

 

Max

post #2 of 15

It really is pretty simple to trim yourself. Just go buy some skins and trim them up.  Make sure you leave some exposed base for glide.  At the tip and tail you don't need much coverage and underfoot I'd plan on leaving about 5mm from the outer edge exposed

post #3 of 15
 

 

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Originally Posted by skierhj View Post

 

It really is pretty simple to trim yourself. Just go buy some skins and trim them up. 

This is good advice.  Get the 130s for your Gotamas.  

 

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Originally Posted by skierhj View Post

 

At the tip and tail you don't need much coverage and underfoot I'd plan on leaving about 5mm from the outer edge exposed

But ignore this part and follow the directions that come with the skins instead.  Coverage at the tail is most important.  

 

post #4 of 15

Bob, I'm going to maintain my position.  Coverage at the tail in not most important.  Coverage underfoot is most important.  On most of my skis the skins I use stop a few inches before the end of the ski which is why there are adjustable tails on the skins.  Your grip comes underfoot,  which is why randonee racers sometimes use just kick skins.  Exposed bases allow you to glide while completely covering the base will cause you to have to constantly kick the skis

post #5 of 15

First off, Gotamas are not exactly kick-and-glide skis,  No randonnee racer is ever going to use them so we might as well let that go as an example.  

 

Second, you will be able to climb steeper tracks and slip far, far less if the tails of your skis are fully covered (allowing for the steel edges to show).   Over a number of years of skinning I have learned and confirmed that weighting the mid to back of the skis is crucial.  And a certain amount of research on trimming skins and skinning technique on sites such as straightchuter.com (which just ran a great series on skinning), TGR, and telemarktips.com and literature such as Martin Volken's Backcountry Skiing will provide more than enough backup for my position.   

 

I'm sticking with my suggestion to get the 130mm skins and trimming them according to the directions that come with them.  

 

http://straightchuter.com/2009/03/steep-skinning-technique/

 

If the OP is interested in gliding along and not climbing fairly steep routes, then I'd suggest getting skis that are far narrower and lighter than Gotamas.  

 

 


Edited by Bob Lee - 4/2/2009 at 06:16 am
post #6 of 15
Thread Starter 

Thanks Bob,

 

No the plan is to use them a few times. A couple of friends have bought them last year and I just want to be able to join them. None of us are going to be using these all the time.

 

post #7 of 15

Putting weight on one's heels does not equal putting weight on the tails of the skis.  First of all, the Goats in the OP's questions are twin-ish therefore, the tails aren't even gripping the snow if totally covered with skins.  Secondly, I found some trimming instructions in a box of skins and they clearly stated to expose some base  ("about 5mm")  from tip to tail. 

 

When skinning it is important to stay more upright.  The skinner wants to use the ski as a platform and while going up a steep incline the edges and base are pretty much useless.  However, there are times (lots of times) when short ascents will be followede by a short descent that would be a horrific waste of time to remove skins.  In these cases some exposed base is essential to being able to glide with control.  In fact, on both TGR and telemarktips.com there have been recent articles about removing the center of the skins, in addition to the edges in order to enhance gliding.  Personally, I think this is overkill but one does not need to cover the entire base in order to climb efficiently

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Originally Posted by skierhj View Post

 

Putting weight on one's heels does not equal putting weight on the tails of the skis.  First of all, the Goats in the OP's questions are twin-ish therefore, the tails aren't even gripping the snow if totally covered with skins.  Secondly, I found some trimming instructions in a box of skins and they clearly stated to expose some base  ("about 5mm")  from tip to tail. 

 

When skinning it is important to stay more upright.  The skinner wants to use the ski as a platform and while going up a steep incline the edges and base are pretty much useless.  However, there are times (lots of times) when short ascents will be followede by a short descent that would be a horrific waste of time to remove skins.  In these cases some exposed base is essential to being able to glide with control.  In fact, on both TGR and telemarktips.com there have been recent articles about removing the center of the skins, in addition to the edges in order to enhance gliding.  Personally, I think this is overkill but one does not need to cover the entire base in order to climb efficiently


 

I'm with Bob on this, the more skin coverage, the steeper terrain you can climb without traversing. The 5 mm from tip to tail is to expose the edges in case you need an edge. For gliding, that's in the nap of the skins. Adjustment in the tail clip is so you can switch to different skis, or take out slop as the skins stretch.

The best selection is to get skins as wide as the shovel and trim it down per the instructions.

post #9 of 15
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the reply I have been checking and reading them every few day's.

 

 

post #10 of 15

Try climbingskinsdirect.com they have 130 mm skins with a twin tip kit that will work great for the goat.  I will probably get a pair this week for my new tele goat setup.  You want to cover the whole base except for the edges.  If you don't you won't be able to climb anything with a side hill to it.  This happened to me when I took my snow ranger skins on a tour using a pair of rossi XXX.  It was embarrassing and tiring. 

post #11 of 15

A little late posting here but if you want to save a few bucks 120 mm skis will work perfect.  Think about it.  The Gotamas are 133-105-124.  If you went with the 130mms you would be trimming off almost 5 mm on each side anyway to expsoe the edges.  With the 120s you would probably trim just a small bit on the tails and some in the waist to have wall to wall coverage everywhere except for maybe just a few mm right at the very tip.  Which dosen't matter anyway.

post #12 of 15

Bob Lee is right, no exposed bases except for the edges unless you are skinning somewhere flat. I have full coverage skins and have plenty of glide for short downhills. I have borrowed skins in the past that left base exposed and I couldn't follow the average track here in the wasatch without slipping out.

post #13 of 15

I'm still going to say that some exposed base really won't have any negative impact.  I spend close to 100 days a year using skins.  I climb some very steep and very big mountains.  I am not claiming that you should have massive amounts of base exposed but the tips and tails really don't help you climb at all.  I have several backcountry setups, some have a few mm's of base exposed at tips and tails some have complete coverage, some have edge to edge coverage with about 2cm of base exposed in the center (I trim the skins and then cut a center channel away).  The point is the the only time I notice a difference in climbing is when I have the center cut out.  It's not even a big difference but there is a SMALL difference in my grip when I have the center of the skins cut out.  In the several thousand days of skinning I have done it really doesn't matter if the tips and tails have a few millimeters of base exposed.  Don't overthink this

post #14 of 15

My daughters Bros 125-99-114 using 110mm skins

 

My Sanouks  130-110-120  using 120mm skins

 

The tips are the only place the skins don't go right out to the edges. 

They work perfectly

 

post #15 of 15

I got the 130 skins from climbingskinsdirect.com for about $110 they seem good although I haven't used them yet.  I bought the twin tip model for my Gotamas although I cut the tails off the skis.  I will eventually post pics of that process.   

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