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Tired of demoing - Rossignol z10 or z11?

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About me: 5'11" 170lbs, 44yrs old. Getting back into skiing after a long (15 year) hiatus. I was an advanced intermediate back on the old technology, and I'm looking to put the time in w/lessons and improve. I would consider myself a moderate speed skier right now all groomers, but am skiing faster the more time I log and I'd liked to venture off trail as I get better. I ski in the West (Tahoe area).

 

Right now, I ski on an 07 K2 Apache Raider in 174cm length. I find these okay, a little long/not agile, and maybe too forgiving/soft, allowing me to lapse into sloppy tail slides (my buddies say I'm "backseat" too much). I don't feel that confident at higher speeds with these skis.

 

I've demoed six pairs of skis so far (AC30 (09 & 10), Nitrous (2010), Top Fuel (09), Rossignol z10 (09) and Phantom SC80; I'm leaning towards the Rossignol z10 in a 170 length. These are maybe slightly too stiff for me right now, but I like the fact that they force me to keep balanced, and not get lazy and sit back too much. They also really carve nicely on groomers (when I'm doing it right!) and seem very stable at any speed I'm likely to ski in the upcoming season or beyond. Looking at the Rossi line up, I'm curious about the z11, which I was not able to demo this season.

 

Questions:

 

Should I go for a slightly more "advanced" ski that I can grow into? Or stick with my current skis, since it's probably my skiing and not the skis...

 

How does the z11 compare to the z10 in terms of forgiveness? The z11 looks more versatile for off-piste.

Should I wait and demo the z11s next season, or go for a pair of z10s at the end of season prices? Or just go for the z11s without demoing?

 

Thanks for any suggestions/advice.

 

 

 

 

 

 

post #2 of 9

I can't comment on the Rossis, Volkls or the Nordicas. I understand  that the Raider is basically a cheaper version of the Recon, and I have the same complaints about the Recon that you have about the Raider. Other people love the Recon. To each his or her own.

 

I can comment on the process you're going through.  Its a good thing to get a ski that you think you can grow into through lessons and practice. It's nice to have a ski that rewards good technique. Just don't get more ski than you're likely to be comfortable with or that will unduly punish the occasional lapse sloppiness. 

 

You've been off skis a very long time. I don't doubt that with this newfangled gear and some lessons you will get back to, and even exceed the technical abilities that you had at 30. But, what you won't get back is being 30 again. 

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Originally Posted by marsound View Post

 

Should I go for a slightly more "advanced" ski that I can grow into? Or stick with my current skis, since it's probably my skiing and not the skis...

 

How does the z11 compare to the z10 in terms of forgiveness? The z11 looks more versatile for off-piste.

Should I wait and demo the z11s next season, or go for a pair of z10s at the end of season prices? Or just go for the z11s without demoing?

 

Thanks for any suggestions/advice.

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

1.  I almost always go with the advanced ski, and if I'm stuck between lengths, I go long. 

 

2.  The Z-series is very forgiving IMHO.  With the Z-11, you can use the softer "arms" for a less demanding ski.  I'm betting the Z10 is like the old Z9, which I didn't find to be the least bit demanding.  It was a pleaser, and would let you get away with anything. 

 

3.  I would not consider the Z-series of skis "off-piste" at all.  They are carvers/cruisers, and they like to be on edge.  I think the turn radius is a bit tight as an off-piste ski too, and they'd give you trouble in snow deeper than a few inches - they aren't floaters.  Maybe the Z15, since it's 85 at the waist, but not the 10 or 11. 

 

4.  The Z11 is a better ski, and there are deals to be found.  I wouldn't be afraid of that ski with no demo - if you like the Z10, the Z11 will just up the game. 

 

Hope that helps!

post #4 of 9
Thread Starter 

Thanks axebiker, your comments are really helpful. Is there a ski you would recommend that is close the the Z11 but more versatile? What about the Atomic Blackeye or Dynastar Contact 4x4?

 

 

post #5 of 9

FWIW, I just bought the z10's after demoing a few.  I found them to be a pretty cushy ride, which actually almost caused me not to get them.  I rode the Z11's too, and they were fine.  I just don't like having anything that causes me to store removable/exchangeable parts.  As far as ride goes, however, the stiff arms on the Z11's may get you in trouble if you are inclined to get too far back.  Have fun.

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Thread Starter 

Have you skied them in powder?

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Me? Yes.  Typical powder performance as any "all-mountain" ski.  Not as enjoyable as a powder ski, but I never fooled myself into thinking they would be.  They do, however, offer enough under foot (along with enough stiffness) to make it not too much of a chore.

 

But, based on your reported skill level, do you really care how they perform in powder?  If you want to "ski powder," then on powder days you should either rent or demo a powder ski.  You aren't going to find any ski with 75 to 85 underfoot that is going to perform like a powder ski.

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Originally Posted by marsound View Post

 

Thanks axebiker, your comments are really helpful. Is there a ski you would recommend that is close the the Z11 but more versatile? What about the Atomic Blackeye or Dynastar Contact 4x4?

 

 

 

Maybe the Elan Mag 78 or 82.  Still not a powder board, but a bit more versatile.  I haven't skied the other two you mentioned.  One sure-fire hit has been the Dynastar Legend 8000 or if you'd like something a bit wider, the Legend 8800 or Mythic Rider.  I haven't skied them myself, but they're on my short list. 
 

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pcskier: I've skied my K2 Raiders in power, and while I'm no expert, they seemed to work okay with 78 under foot. I was told when I demoed the z10's that they weren't as good in powder as other comparable all mountain skis (I realize no all mountain will be as good as a powder ski).

 

axelbiker: thanks for the recommendations; I'll check them out.

 

 


Edited by marsound - 4/2/2009 at 08:32 pm
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