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post #61 of 71
Lostboy, as an aside: In a previous ski school (and in many others I know of) we had a pre-season "empathy immersion" session, where most line employees role-played the resort "discovery" phase of their guests. We followed the signage, looked for the ticket office, stood in line (repeat often) etc. The whole ski school set out on rental gear. What Bob said! Wearing someone else's moccasins sometimes discounts all the "feel this" "tip that" "flex this way" "steer that way" nuances that we talk incessantly about. Those people are screwed from the get go! It is also unrealistic to suggest that "allignment and fitting" be implemented when you are a year away from depreciating your fleet of over the ankle bowling shoes, and there are 10 bus loads at the door!
post #62 of 71
I read this last night, and then woke up in the middle of the night with an Epiphany!

This year, I need some boot work. My boots are so darn comfortable I can probably sleep in them! But I feel as if there is a synapse that has been disconnected betwwen my boot and my skis. If I am walking around in just my boots, I can make the edging movements we speak of. Connect skis to these boots, the line is busy and the message does not get delivered.

I remember rental boots. Hurt so bad, I wondered why anyone would want to ski.
So when i bought my own, i went with soft, cushy... and pretty much unfunctional boots.

Wonder how often that happens.

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Be Braver in your body, or your luck will leave you. DH Lawrence
post #63 of 71
What boots do you have?
post #64 of 71
Tecnica duo 70s, Volkl Carver x
post #65 of 71
After reading s I have a couple of thoughts.
It's entirely possible that I'm about to spout a bunch of nonsense, so feel free to stop reading at any time.

I'm new to skiing. I bought a pair of skis at a garage sale on a whim.
I ended up actually buying a set of boots instead of renting, because my feet were kind of wide and I wanted to actually give this a real try.

I actually managed to go from nothing to ready to ski, including clothing and season pass to the local hill for just over $1,000.

I took private lessons every time I went to the local hill ($35/hr) and then tried to apply what I learned for the rest of the day.

I also joined a ski club with a lodge up in vermont. There's always someone around who's willing to take me up on the mountain and show me som e things i didn't know before.

So, I don't think cost is really an issue.
Heck, I could do away with private instruction altogether and just go the other members of the club if I wanted to.

I think the difference is that some folks (like me) really decide to jump into it and try to keep learning as they go since the experience just gets better as they learn more.

I think other people are just in it for a mini-vacation where the primary focus is really the lodge and partying. Which by the way is perfectly acceptable. People have a right to entertain themselves in whatever way makes them happy, right?

But I can see the day coming where I'll probably spend less time in formal private lessons. Why?
Because I think that my circle of dedicated skiing friends is likely to keep growing and I'm pretty likely to get more and more of my instruction from friends who ski above my skill level and are willing to teach me how to do what they do.

I guess that one way to put it is that as I move closer to the "inner core" of dedicated skiers I end up getting for free what (forgive me), the tourists pay for.

I'll never completely stop getting formal private lessons of course. It's just that I don't see the sheer volume of the lessons I take continuing indefinately.
post #66 of 71
Are you better than 97% of the skiers on the hill yet?

Seriously, even the best keep taking "lessons" and learning. I was just in France and Isolde Kostner (top Italian woman racer) had been training there the week before. Her coach was a good friend of one of our instructors. She spent almost a week doing drills in a wedge. (Gosh, a real "sinner" according to some)<FONT size="1">

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post #67 of 71
Welcome Nakona!!

thanks for sharing...it isn't nonsense you are spouting, its valid opinion and its what i think is the reason for this thread...

I feel obliged to comment, however, on the lessons from "buddies" you'll receive...friends are well-meaning. they are probably all great skiers, some you may want to emulate, some with great tips and tricks.

HOWEVER, pros, like the ones in this forum, are alot more than great skiiers. they have been trained in not only techical stuff..but also in how to get the point across, the dynamics of the student/teacher relationships, and how to optimize lesson time, as well as so much more. as far as technical stuff, there is soooo much more than tip 'em up and go, there is other issues, balance, stance, form...so much that probably wouldnt be conversation on the chair with the pals... im sure some of the pros here can add to this list...

You sound as though you are really serious about skiing. listen to advice from the friends, but dont stop taking lessons!

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post #68 of 71
Oh, I'm sorry...
I should have made clear...
By friends, I didn't mean a couple of drinking buddies...
My club is top heavy with actual instructors.
RMSC

I think the point that I was trying to make is not that I will ever stop taking formal lessons, but that the number of lessons I take in a season will tend to drop as the years go by.

Even if I didn't have the ski club connections it would still drop because the learning curve is very steep at the beginning.
Learning a snow plow took 20 minutes.
Learning how to ski parallel took a couple of hours
Learning to turn parallel took a couple of days..

As I learn more it will take longer to practice and become proficient at each new level I reach. Going from intermediate to advanced, which is what I'm trying to do now, is going to take longer than going from beginner to intermediate did.

Oh and, Hi, good to meet you all.
post #69 of 71
so true, about it taking longer to get to advanced than it took to get to intermediate...

it seems the more you know, the more you realize there is so much you dont know!!
post #70 of 71
I still feel that the "secret" is building miles on the snow. Free ski ten days and then take a private lesson but dedicate the first hour of each free ski day to the "school exercises" that are at the core of your last lessons.
post #71 of 71
All I know is that I want to make it onto Lower Antelope this year.
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