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Hellbents for spring conditions?

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 

ANyone skied your HB's in soft spring snow?  I am heading to A-B and LL April 11-15 and was wondering if it was worth bring them

post #2 of 19

All 4 active skiers in my family have skied Hell Bents in soft spring snow. I'd say they definitely get a big thumbs up. I'd use them for spring skiing ahead of any cambered ski - skinny or fat. But that's just my .02. 

You should definitely take them. 

 

post #3 of 19
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Sweet! I just need to figure out the mount point. I have read a bunch over at TGR. for neutral skiing, non-switch it seems like +5 all the way up to +10. Also, most comments were based on 189's, these are 179's.

 

Spin, where are yours mounted?

post #4 of 19

 Here's the quick rundown.

 

cloudpeak's 169s started, I think,  at +4 and are now +7.5. 

 

179s  - used by two of my kids. One pair started at +7.5 and is now at +9.5. It is used for lots of switchy jumpy stuff. Another pair is mounted with RFDs which can range from +3 to +6. They have not been out of the +6 setting in over a year. Also used for switchy spinny type stuff. I think we'd do the RFDs centered on +7.5 if we were to do it again...

 

189s - Mine. Started at about +4 (IIRC) and are now remounted at +7. I ski these in a pretty vanilla forward manner. And now and again dabble trying to ski switch on really easy groomers - just so I can entertain people :D. If I were to buy myself a new pair, I'd likely get 179s and probably mount them at +7.5.

 

As I indicated on that other thread, I really believe they handle better overall when mounted decently forward. If you are not planning on doing the switch thing a whole bunch, I would not go forward of +7.5. And I would not suggest going behind about +6, even if you plan never to try to ski them switch.

 

So my .02 is to take your pick somewhere between +6 and +7.5. With a bias toward being farther forward than back in that range.

 

And then take a bit of time to "play" with them. If you have not used rockered skis - esecially center mounted ones - you'll want to get the feel of a ski that can't be driven through the tip the way you'd want to drive a stiff conventional ski. As I said before, while the ski has a big wide tip, that tip is kind of in the air under many conditions... But the ski is already pre-bent into a turning shape, so especially in soft spring type snow, all you need to do is roll it & stay centered & on top of it. And it'll carve surprisingly well & predictably.

 

 

post #5 of 19

 Get the new Marker Schizo bindings. They have 6cm of adjustment that is really easy to do.

 

Whatever rocker ski I end up on is probably going to have that binding.

post #6 of 19

 A very reasonable thought if one could get one's hands on a Schizo in the next week...

 

But absent that option taking a stab with something like an STH or Jester type binding and then doing a plus or minus 1 or 1.5 cm  remount if that felt wrong after a week would not be the end of the world.

 

post #7 of 19

 I think they are out and can be had. The demo track Jester is pretty bomber and has a ton of adjustment.

 

Oh who are we kidding? Finn's gonna sell em in a week or two anyway. ;)

post #8 of 19

 

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 I think they are out and can be had. The demo track Jester is pretty bomber and has a ton of adjustment.

 

Oh who are we kidding? Finn's gonna sell em in a week or two anyway. ;)

Wait...he didn't sell them yet???? The Shizno is very unimpressive, it looks like it was put together in 8th grade shop class. Either but on a regular JEster or a JEster demo. 

post #9 of 19
Thread Starter 

yeah, I have Griffons to mount on them. I will ge them on Thursday and I will take a look. I am going to have to have them mounted out in CO, no one around here has Jigs for these in NJ! I think I will go +6.5 or 7. Now dumb question but this is off the core line? I am sure it will be obvious once I get them.

 

I hear ya' on the skiing technique, that's actually how i ski the Icelantic Shamans, more of a centered stance and roll the knees instead of actively working the tips. Thanks for all the help. Much appreciated; Epic, do you want 1st dibs? :)

post #10 of 19

finn I have 300 bucks for those skis when you want to get rid of them ;)

 

 

 

 

post #11 of 19
Thread Starter 

Ok as soon as the Icelantic Rocker's come out, they're yours...... Is this a binding offer? :)

 

 

post #12 of 19

I believe...

 

core center = +7.5

 

true center = +9.5 (approximately)

 

familiar numbers? :)

 

 ( my kid here at the breakfast table says to go +7 or  +7.5 for vanilla skiing - with a bias toward the latter. unless you are a very large person, & then go a bit further back in the 6-ish zone. just another .02 )

post #13 of 19
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thank your kids for me!

 

6' 170'= I will go 7.5 then.

 

Ron

 

 

post #14 of 19

 

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thank your kids for me!

 

6' 170'= I will go 7.5 then.

 

Ron

 

 

I think you need to go 7.875" to get the utmost out of these. 

post #15 of 19
Thread Starter 

its bad enough that you have skied foot plus powder everyday for almost a week..... pow-pig..... :)

post #16 of 19

 

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 Epic, do you want 1st dibs? :)

Thanks for the offer. I'm starting to think I like my rockers with some camber. A la S7 or Bentchetlers.

post #17 of 19
Thread Starter 

for a wider range of performance, yes, add the JJ to that list

post #18 of 19

 

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I think you need to go 7.875" to get the utmost out of these. 

 

Heh.

 

They are not that sensitive, but they are sensitive in an interesting way. Moving forward closer to core center, any tip dive I'd experienced pretty much went away. Seriously. Think about it... ;)

 

post #19 of 19
Thread Starter 

Got my HB's today. Very cool ski, graphics aside, nice flex, soft tip down to surface contact point, then flat camber, not as soft underfoot, I think they will do fine on groomed soft snow (not that they are for) tail is soft for sure. Not overly heavy as some have stated. Mounting with Griffons will make pretty light underfoot. Looks like a +6.5 to 7.5 mount point is the way to go. Very cool that K2 marked the ski core center taking the guess work out.  Can't wait to get on them next Saturday at LL. Just need some soft snow.

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