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Bindings for Watea 94

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Based on recommendations here I picked up some Watea 94s at a sweet price. Fisher suggests the X14 Wide Brake but they are not very available. In my research it seems that there is some inbreeding among the binding makers. Who makes what brand?

 

Is there a similar binding or a better binding than the X14? From another post on the Watea 94 there were suggestions for Rossi SAS2 120. I don't want railflex and I think light weight makes sense because the skis are fairly light. I will mostly be using the ski on powder days but may become my everyday ski. I'm blue skier expanding into powder and crud but nothing radical. Any thoughts appreciated!

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Fischer and Head's bindings are based on Tyrolia.  I have Tyrolia Peak 15 bindings on my Watea 94s, and they are excellent bindings.  Those particular bindings are built like a tank and heavy, but do no detract from the light weight of the 94 in my experience.  I previously had lighter Tyrolia LD-12 bindings on the skis and haven't noticed a difference since switching.

 

My favorite bindings right now are the Head/Tyrolia LD-12, Tyrolia Peak 12, or Look PX-12 for lighter duty.  For heavier duty, the Head Mojo 15, Tyrolia Peak 15, or Look PX-14. 

 

Note that Dynastar and Rossignol bindings are variants of the Look.

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Originally Posted by prone2wander View Post

 

Based on recommendations here I picked up some Watea 94s at a sweet price. Fisher suggests the X14 Wide Brake but they are not very available....  Is there a similar binding or a better binding than the X14? From another post on the Watea 94 there were suggestions for Rossi SAS2 120. I don't want railflex and I think light weight makes sense because the skis are fairly light. I will mostly be using the ski on powder days but may become my everyday ski. I'm blue skier expanding into powder and crud but nothing radical. Any thoughts appreciated!

In addition to the above posts:
 

  1. Ignore what Fischer recommends - any binding with the correct DIN range and brake width (i.e., 90 to 100mm) will do.  Given your "...nothing radical..." statement I doubt you'll see much difference in performace between the various brands.
  2. First determine what DIN range you need.  Unless your setting is over about a DIN 9 then a DIN 12 max binding should be fine (if you don't know your setting look at your other skis - barring that just tell me your weight, height, and sole length marked on your boots and I can tell you what it might be).  Note - unless you want to save a lot of cash don't bother with a DIN range binding of less than 12 - they tend to be more cheaply made and with less release/retention features.
  3. Since you said that weight is important you should probably stay clear of Look/Dyna/Rossi's or Markers (except for the Jester/Griffon).  They tend to weigh over 2500g/pr. (about 5.5lbs.). The Tyrolia/Head LD12's and similar Salomons are about 4.5lbs, while the Jester/Griffon are about 4.25lbs.  However, the lightest of the DIN 12 bunch are Salomon Z12Ti at about 3.75lbs.
  4. Then shop based on price (unless this isn't important).  For my Wateas I went for the Head LD12's w/ the 93mm brake since I could find them for $100, but that was last year.  This year a quick Google shows: 
  • Head Mojo or Gold Thang 12's (both are Tyrolia LD12 variants) with a 95mm brake can be had for $120 or so (from coloradoskioutlet.com and levelninesports.com)
  • Griffons with a 90mm brake (which may need to be bent a a tick) are $170+
  • Z12ti's with a 100mm brake are $155 at evorgear.com

 

Looks like the Tyrolia bindings may again be the deal.  That's probably what I'd go for (especially since they provide great release/retention features for the money).  Though the $30 more to save almost a lb. for the Z12ti's might be your preference.  A more thorough search could find some different deals (which can change daily).  Each of these bindings have their pros/cons and some other posters may weigh in with why you should buy one vs. the other (i.e., I've had bad luck with Salomon's).

 

I hope this helps and Good Luck  

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Thanks for the replies!

 

I had said lightweight bindings only because the skis are light and figured what good are they with heavy bindings. Any additional thoughts?

 

I think DIN 12 is fine. I do ski fast, weigh 195 lb, and ski about 15 days a year in Utah. Do I have to worry about the Tyrolia/Head LD-12, Peak 12 (same toe and heel as LD), or Salomon Z12tis durability or releasing to easily?

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I have Z12Tis on my PEs and various LD-12 flavors on other skis, and they have all been fine.  No durability or pre-release issues.  Of them all, the Z12Ti is definitely the lightest and most fragile looking, but so far they have held up fine. 

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Thanks Skier 219 & Ski-ra! Sounds like I don't need to overthink this and am checking prices and will probably go with Peak 12.

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Do I have to worry about the Tyrolia/Head LD-12, Peak 12 (same toe and heel as LD), or Salomon Z12tis durability or releasing to easily?

I like the Tyrolia LD12 variants because they are the best combination of price, weight and performance.  They've worked very well for me.  The PX12 variants may be a bit more reliable in preventing pre-releases (and that's what the buzz seems to be), but I certainly don't like the extra weight or some of the other less user-friendly features of Look bindings.  Like you said, no need to over think it - if the best price you can find is on the Tyrolia Peak 12's, then go for it, though the $120 Head Mojo 12's from coloradoskioutlet.com (same binding, different name) seems like steal.
 

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Fischer and Head's bindings are based on Tyrolia.  I have Tyrolia Peak 15 bindings on my Watea 94s, and they are excellent bindings.  Those particular bindings are built like a tank and heavy, but do no detract from the light weight of the 94 in my experience.  I previously had lighter Tyrolia LD-12 bindings on the skis and haven't noticed a difference since switching.

 

Just out of curiosity, why did you switch out the LD-12s? Was it for the higher DIN?

 

I was going to suggest the LD-12. That's what I use on my Watea 84's and I really like how light the whole setup is.

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I really like the beefier construction of the Peak 15.  I can't say I had any complaints about the LD-12, but the Peak 15 (or Head's Mojo 15) are much more solid and have a more direct mount to the ski.  The downside is that the heel piece is a little heavier, and you lose the diagonal heel release.

 

I did a comparo of the 12 and 15 bindings here:

 

www.epicski.com/forum/thread/78707/beefcake-bindings-tyrolia-peak-15

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