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Advice needed - all mountain for the expert who is slowing down

post #1 of 12
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Looking for an "all mountain" one ski quiver.  I'm 5' 9"", 150 lbs, 52 YO expert. But at 52 not quite the speed demon anymore but ski everything. Now I carve more. No back country but bowls, trees, steeps, and frontside. No need for twin tip but I don't care. I grew up in the east and ski here 50% and Rockies 50%. Priorities: crud, powder, bumps, speed, ice. Medium radius turn profile, I am thinking about an 82-85 waist.  Current shortlist includes Solomon Fury, Dynastar Legend 8000, Nordica Jet Fuel. Recently ruled out Solomon Lord (clunky in the bumps, Solomon Tornado (too light in the crud and too tight a turn radius), K2 Recon (flimsy, very average ski) and Vokl Bridge (90mm is too fat for me). Thoughts?

post #2 of 12

I was gonna say Volkl Mantra, but you say 90mm is too fat for you (mantra is 96mm).

 

If you want something 82-85 range, I'll say maybe Fischer Watea 84, Dynastar Legend 8000, Nordica Afterburner or JetFuel.

post #3 of 12

I'm about your age, 6'5", 200lb.  I ski everything also, with the disclaimer that my bump performance is passable at best.

 

I'll second the Dynastar Legend 8000 (a bit more versatile), and can also recommend the Atomic Blackeye (livelier, bump friendly), and Volkl AC30, (a bit better for speed and ice, more work in the bumps).   They are all pretty good in crud, and decent in moderate powder.  I wouldn't hesitate to take them anywhere.  However at 79mm, 79mm, and 76mm respectively, they are slightly narrower than what you said you are looking for.

 

In that range, you may want to try a Head iM82.  You may find it gives up a bit of edge grip compared to the above, but has better soft snow performance.  It is another good all-conditions ski.

post #4 of 12

You and I are the same vintage and ski the same terrain. My ten thumbs up goes to Blizzard TItan Cronus. It is 88mm in the waist but skis narrower on hard and wider on soft. I can use them in Maine on virtually anything except the hardest packed on steep. Skied the China bowl/Blue Sky at Vail and Daly Chutes at Deer Valley this past month. No face shots, but boot deep and soft cover. Amazing and confident ride. The ski is great for us lighter guys (I'm 160). It is wood core which makes it great in the bumps. Playful, lively, willing, solid and stable without an agenda, the Titan is a real joy to ski. Do a search. You will find that the few of us who have them, love them. I would suggest the 173 for you. I can ski them for 5-6 hours straight without fatigue. And, yes, my knees are 52 yo like the rest of me. Best of luck.

David


Edited by deliberate1 - 3/27/2009 at 07:19 pm
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and Volkl AC30, (a bit better for speed and ice, more work in the bumps).   They are all pretty good in crud, and decent in moderate powder.  I wouldn't hesitate to take them anywhere.  However at 79mm, 79mm, and 76mm respectively, they are slightly narrower than what you said you are looking for.


 

I actually have the Volkl AC30, and I wouldn't call it a true all-mountain ski. More like a wide carver with all mountain abilities, but it doesn't fare "great" in ungroomed conditions.

 

I also have a Nordica Enforcer that I will be using as my main ski now, but the difference is that I ski in the canadian rockies and not in the east like the OP.

 

That's why I mentioned the Volkl Mantra, from what I've heard it's got great carving abilities. Similarly, from the opinions I've read regarding Nordica Afterburner, they ski similarly to a Volkl AC30 or the older AC40. There's also the current Volkl AC50, but most comments I've read regarding it say it's too stiff.

post #6 of 12

Head Monster iM82 in 161cm, does everything surprisingly well and is huge fun.

 

There's a youtube link to me skiing on this exact ski on my profile page under the web site section...

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I actually have the Volkl AC30, and I wouldn't call it a true all-mountain ski. More like a wide carver with all mountain abilities, but it doesn't fare "great" in ungroomed conditions.

 

I also have a Nordica Enforcer that I will be using as my main ski now, but the difference is that I ski in the canadian rockies and not in the east like the OP.

 

That's why I mentioned the Volkl Mantra, from what I've heard it's got great carving abilities. Similarly, from the opinions I've read regarding Nordica Afterburner, they ski similarly to a Volkl AC30 or the older AC40. There's also the current Volkl AC50, but most comments I've read regarding it say it's too stiff.


 

I agree that choosing the AC30 would be trading off some soft snow capabilities for increased hard snow performance.  Of course, it's all about compromise if you're trying to get by with one ski for everywhere.  Eastern all-mountain is different from Western all-mountain, and if you are truly 50-50, it's gonna be a tough call.

 

I am a big fan of the Mantra and have skied it a number of days.  I plan to make it my Western all mountain ski as soon as I can come up with the $$.  And while it is a blast on Western groomers, I would not want to feed it a steady diet of East Coast ice.  (And icy bumps?  Now way.) 

 

That's why I own Dynastar Contact 4X4's.  They take care of the majority of my Eastern days, and I don't plan to take them out West.  I've given up on the idea of one all-purpose ski.  And I've tried a bunch.

post #8 of 12

I'll put a plugin for the Line Prophet 90's. They do well in a variety of conditions, I am out here in the Pacific NW, they are my one ski for everything. 

post #9 of 12
Thread Starter 

Great chatter on this forum but you guys are killing me. Now I need at least two pairs. Maybe a pair of AC30's and Mythic Riders would be ideal.  Heck it's only money. 

 

This being spring I'll probably look for sales and get the Nordica, Head im82 or Dynastar legend 8000, whichever I get a better deal on.

 

There doesn't seem to be much love for Solomon on this forum but I skied my Screams into tatters and still loved them.

post #10 of 12

Hi welcome to Epic - I'm also an aging decent lighter skier who splits time between east and west, and even though I own several Heads, used to own the iM82, would question it for your mission and size. It's beefy, likes speed, quick enough for eastern bumps but not soft enough to be fun in them, too stiff and in your length, too short for good float out west. Some ideas, all skis I've demoed at length or owned:

 

The Fury is a really nice ski for us lighter guys, great in bumps and tight places, great in crud, just OK on ice or at real speed. If you decided on it, great prices right now, suggest a light carving plate and binding with some good elastic/damping properties, like a Freeflex or Marker Piston or Look PX. 

 

The 8000 is classic proven all around, if you did most of your skiing out west that'd be in my list. But it's not an ice skate, and the long radius makes it nice in bumps but a bit ponderous for eastern slopes. It loves high speed cruising with long radius turns on groomed. Not my fav in crud.

 

But rather than either of these, would think very seriously about a Blizzard Magnum 8.1 or Cronus. Both are light, lot of snow feel, but very grippy and very easy to initiate for a fairly stiff ski. Cronus is damper and a bit softer because it used carbon instead of metal, wiggles through bumps and trees; 8.1 has a bit higher speed limit, grippier and stiffer. The binding system allows both grip and full flex, and you can take off the bindings for travel. I'd pick the 8.1 in 165 if you're favoring eastern and short to medium radius turns, the Cronus in 173 (perhaps with a Baron) if you prefer western and medium to long radius.

 

Just saw your second post; if you're considering two skis, then Blizzard Supersonic or Dynastar 10's for the east, something like a Watea 94 or a Kastle MX 98 for the west.  


Edited by beyond - 3/28/2009 at 02:03 am
post #11 of 12
Thread Starter 

I just found the Legend 8000 for $388 at o2gearshop.com and could not pass them up.  If it's too soft I'll put a railplate on, and at that price I can sell them anyway without much pain.

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I just found the Legend 8000 for $388 at o2gearshop.com and could not pass them up.  If it's too soft I'll put a railplate on, and at that price I can sell them anyway without much pain.

 

Probably a good choice.  Don't bother with a plate - that's not what that skis is designed to ski like. 

 

Staying away from Salomon & K2 - well done!

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