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Need arrow for hardpack/groomers - Blizzard Supersonic IQ vs. Dynastar Contact 4x4?

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 

Friends, just got back from a terrific day at Sugarloaf (Maine) yesterday. The trails were a hard base covered with softening corn/crud as the 40 plus degree day wore on. I was on my go-to ski for the past two seasons - Blizzard Titan Cronus in 173. I have loved this ski from the moment I put it on. Solid, quick, playful and forgiving. On soft, I have found nothing better. But on the 30 plus degree hardpack/ice on White Nitro, that soft wood core and 88mm under foot really went beyond its design limits. It skied fine in the fall line with quick scarved turns, but on fast traverses over hard to get to real snow to turn on it was a struggle to keep it glued. Heels washed out a lot throwing me off - not something I wanted to do on that terrain. So I am looking for more of a scalpel for those kinds of conditions.

I like the Blizzard "feel," if there is such a thing. Seems to me that the Supersonic IQ would be a good choice for this kind of condition that we get most of the year in Maine. But I have read great things about the Dynastar 4x4 as well. Would appreciate hearing from anyone who has ridden either, or preferably, both. Demoing is a problem - not even sure if there is a Bliz dealer in Maine who would have the Supersonic to demo. Maybe the Dynastar is available.

I am level 9 fast fall line skier. Quick turns straight down the steep extreme edge. Will cross over only if the snow is whiter on the other side. On blue groomers I just go fast.

Appreciate the feedback.

David

My bad. Sorry for posting this here. Thought I was in the Ski Gear Discussion forum. Moderators beam me over there if you would. Tx


Edited by deliberate1 - 3/28/2009 at 05:32 pm
post #2 of 18

 Transporter - engage.

 

Supersonic will probably be great for what you want. I really enjoyed skiing Sugarloaf on my VISTs same ski as the Hart Pulse.

 

Dynastar 4x4 or Contact 10 would both be great. I personally like the 10 better (and it costs a lot less money).

post #3 of 18
Thread Starter 

Capt Moderator, obliged for the ride. And the suggestion. Will check out the 10.

D1

post #4 of 18

Well, the 4x4 is a magnet on hard snow and ice, I can tell you that.  It does like to make short turns, however, so make sure that's compatible with your interests.  The Head Monster Chip would also be worth looking at (or even the plain Monster 78, though it's less stiff).

post #5 of 18

I'm 6'5", 200lb, and a pretty fast-skiing level 8.  I demo'ed the Supersonic (174cm) and 4X4 (178 cm) at Stratton in hard-pack conditions about a month ago.   While I didn't dislike the Supersonics , I never warmed up to them either.  They felt a bit light and unsubstantial under foot.  I felt like there wasn't enough ski there, and it affected my confidence at speed.  (I've never skied Blizzard before, so I don't know what the Blizzard "feel" is.)

 

I felt absolutely at home on the 4X4's, had a lot of fun, and ended up buying them.  I've got 6 days on them now, and the honeymoon continues.  I've never had a bad day on them.  Edge grip is great, they are competent in all turn shapes and sizes, and I can go as fast as I want.  (Just as a side note, I find that they want to be skied with my weight dead center, and not driven too hard tip-ward.)

 

A lot of people like the Supersonics.  My personal preference is the 4X4's.

post #6 of 18

The 2008-2009 Dynastar Contact 10, which appears to be identical to the 2007-2008 Dynastar Contact LTD that I ski, is an extremely good ski for hard snow conditions.  Very quick, excellent grip.

 

I haven't skied the 4x4, but it's gotten good reviews and should have a similar feel.  It's a little wider (75mm?) and is designed to deal better with crud and (somewhat) deeper snow.

 

For real hard stuff you might also check out the Head Supershape Magnum or SS Chip if you like to go fast.  They're a lot of fun, and respond well at high speeds.

post #7 of 18

Hi - I owned the Contact 11, which is now called the 10, in 172, and I demoed the Supersonic a month or so ago in 174. I weigh 165, am advanced. Have not skied the 4x4, but assume it's like a stiffer 10.

 

IMO, the 10 and the Supersonic are excellent skis with very different feels and somewhat different missions. The Supersonic is very light, very responsive and easy to initiate, lots of snowfeel, nearly race carver level of grip on ice, yet surprisingly stable and reasonably quiet in crud despite the liveliness. Like all Blizzards I've skied, the tail has a very smooth release, like a Stockli, instead of a high energy punch like a Fischer. (Which otherwise is a good point of reference.) You could club race on this ski in the pm and ski it with your kids the next am. The 174 was a decent length for me, although it preferred GS style turns.

 

The 11/Ltd/10 is a bit heavier and softer flexing, damper, not as quick edge to edge but the big soft tip and narrow tail give it the nod in bumps, tight places and soft snow. It'll still be respectable on ice. Not as stable ripping the fall line as the Supersonic, and the tip will deflect a little in crud (seems like all Dynastars do this) but the ski won't fail you. The 172 was about right for me lengthwise.

 

I'd infer that the 4x4 would take the 10's basic characteristics and beef them up, probably outperforms the Supersonic in many aspects but would lose the easy going quality both of the other skis have. If you like the Contact package, I'd say get the 4x4 if you weigh over 180 and/or are an aggressive skier; the 10 otherwise. Personally I prefer the feel of the Supersonic, but close call and I'm really into Blizzards these days (including the Cronus) so biased. 


Edited by beyond - 3/27/2009 at 05:21 am
post #8 of 18
Thread Starter 

Friends, very much appreciate your replies. Beyond you nailed what I like about the Cronus - the "easy going quality." Rgeba that is how I would decribe the Blizzard "feel." Best comparison on the other end of the spectrum was the pair of Volkl Supersport 6 that had, well, an agenda. Basically, beyond, what I get from your description is that the Supersonic has the same athletic capability on hard that the Cronus has on soft with the same light, nimble touch -  the Blizzard "feel." You and I weigh the same. Rgeba you have height and weight on me, which may explain why you felt the Blizzard felt "light and unsubstantial" and felt more secure on the beefier Dynastar. Now if I can just find a pair of Supersonics. Anyone know if changes to this model next year?

Tx

David

post #9 of 18

I just went through the same thing; my fat skis don't like this march hardpack we've had to deal with. 

 

being biased to head skis, i went for the supershape speeds, for the same reason you mention above.  i don't expect it to be a very versatile ski, but i hope to only have to break it out when conditions get this icy. 

 

this weekend should at least be warm, maybe some good spring skiing instead of the ice we've had for the past few weeks. 

 

(i think dawg has both of those skis at great prices).

 

 

post #10 of 18
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I just went through the same thing; my fat skis don't like this march hardpack we've had to deal with. 

 

being biased to head skis, i went for the supershape speeds, for the same reason you mention above.  i don't expect it to be a very versatile ski, but i hope to only have to break it out when conditions get this icy. 

 

this weekend should at least be warm, maybe some good spring skiing instead of the ice we've had for the past few weeks. 

 

(i think dawg has both of those skis at great prices).

 

 

BR, would be interested in your impressions. And hope you don't get the rain we are threatened with. Enjoy.
 

David

post #11 of 18

 My every day ski is a Blizzard WC SL 165.  Absolutely awesome Eastern ski.  Short turns, long turns.  Does not take a lot of energy as you'd think a WC ski would, but has a bear claw grip on hardpack.

 

It's a fun ski, I ski it backwards, teach in it - but if you want something you can count on on the hard surfaces, it's the one for me.  Also blasts through crud.

post #12 of 18

 

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Anyone know if changes to this model next year?

None significant, slightly wider plate. Suggest you PM Ptex for details, maybe a great deal. 

post #13 of 18

Head SuperShape or SuperShape Speed would be great choices, as would the Fischer Progressor or RX8.

post #14 of 18

BR, would be interested in your impressions. And hope you don't get the rain we are threatened with. Enjoy.
 

David

 

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I'll let you know if I can.  They are due to arrive on Monday and my plan is to take them out on Saturday.  I just don't know how much snow's gonna be left; it was raining hard when we left this morning.  But, finally some good spring skiing yesterday!!

 

edit:  sorry, forgot to quote

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 Anyone know if changes to this model next year?

Tx

David

 

No, it is the same. I skied it last weekend, very nice ski.  Review here: http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/82714/2010-review-pt-2-k2-sidestash-blizzard-atlas-answer-magnum-and-supesonic-elan-888-dyna-4x4

 

As much as I liked the Supersonic, I would personally choose the 4x4 over it, as I like the bit beefier feel that it provides without being overly demanding.  Another ski I really want to try is the SLR IQ: I hear that is a very good freeski as well.

post #16 of 18

The ski I've been on this year that seems like it best fits your needs is the Head WC iSpeed. That's been a very fun ski for me. Might be worth checking out.

post #17 of 18

 

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The ski I've been on this year that seems like it best fits your needs is the Head WC iSpeed. That's been a very fun ski for me. Might be worth checking out.

 

If you can find one, I heard only like 20 pair made it into the US. Great ski though!

post #18 of 18
dawg

Just a question on your reviews...what is your size?  I ask because I am considering the 4x4/SS/7.6 debate and am 6' and 190, pretty aggressive skier (level 7/8).  The ski will be my primary for eastern skiing (Whiteface, Hunter, Mad River, as well as weekend jaunts into the Catskills) for the next couple of years and want to make sure I get the right one that can help me enjoy the skiing and progress to the next level as a skier.  Hoping to get a ski that can rip the frontside with occasional off-piste/bumps/NASTAR race as the fancy strikes.

Thanks.
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