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post #31 of 46

Here's a typical Crossfit back squat.  I always go to the low bar back squat.  This is a WOD.  2 back squats times 10 with lots of rest in between.

 

http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/CrossFit_WOD121115_DMFL_BS_SD.mov

post #32 of 46

i thought we were getting a video of the infamous Buzz squatting

post #33 of 46

those squats are parallel, or a bit past it. Nothing wrong with them, the female has great form.  
The discusion was on squats that go past that point.

post #34 of 46
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Originally Posted by loboskis View Post

i thought we were getting a video of the infamous Buzz squatting

I'll work on that.  You can all take notes!

post #35 of 46
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Originally Posted by jzamp View Post

those squats are parallel, or a bit past it. Nothing wrong with them, the female has great form.  
The discusion was on squats that go past that point.

Almost all where hip crease below the top of the knee. The dude ,the one he bailed on and set 10,the girl set 10 were just parallel. All of the others is exactly what we are looking for. No one is going much lower in a back squat,nor is it necessary


Edited by loboskis - 11/16/12 at 3:21am
post #36 of 46

This is true from the standpoint of AFC's coaching.  But recently I hear the term "ass to grass" - not sure what it means.  I also do hear it mentioned in the WOD.  With Snatch Squats (??) I find that I tend to go deeper as do others.

post #37 of 46
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This is true from the standpoint of AFC's coaching.  But recently I hear the term "ass to grass" - not sure what it means.  I also do hear it mentioned in the WOD.  With Snatch Squats (??) I find that I tend to go deeper as do others.

 

ATG is used both to sound cool, and to make clear you're talking about a high bar, low as you can go, squat, when talking about deep or full squats. 

 

Can't make the video links work for me.  When I hear you talking about someone "bailing" from a squat, if it resembles any of the "bails" I put up earlier, you again are talking about roughly a 100% chance of severe injury at some point, to the lifter or to someone nearby, from "bailing." 

post #38 of 46
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Originally Posted by Paul Jones View Post

This is true from the standpoint of AFC's coaching.  But recently I hear the term "ass to grass" - not sure what it means.  I also do hear it mentioned in the WOD.  With Snatch Squats (??) I find that I tend to go deeper as do others.

Ass to grass is gonna happen more in a front squat/oly lifting movement. A much more upright torso.

post #39 of 46

as far as bailing ,try youtubeing spotting gone wrong.

I'd rather have noone around then put someone at risk,including myself ,thinking they are quick enough or able to help with a spot.

But thats just me you guys do what you think is right for you.

post #40 of 46
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Almost all where hip crease below the top of the knee. The dude ,the one he bailed on and set 10,the girl set 10 were just parallel. All of the others is exactly what we are looking for. No one is going much lower in a back squat,nor is it necessary

The way I was taught those are still considered parallel but anyway, if that is "crossfit textbook form" than I don't see a problem. IMO those ARE safe, especially considering that they are being performed with good form, control, and strength. 
As I said before it is when you go past that point that it becomes dangerous... shall we say 110 degrees or 120 with raised heels? 

post #41 of 46
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As I said before it is when you go past that point that it becomes dangerous... shall we say 110 degrees or 120 with raised heels? 

raised heels would be a big no-no.

Weight on the heels, knees out, chest up,butt/hips back

post #42 of 46

Sorry I should have been more clear. I did not mean heel off the ground but raised with powerlifter shoes etc. 
my bad.

post #43 of 46

Wow, this thread has some really angry posts... let us not forget that "skiing is a dangerous sport" and we can all get injured on a mountain if we aren't doing things properly as well.

 

I vote yes for any sort of training that increases your strength period.  It's good for you on a day-to-day basis, as well as on the hill.  I agree with the folks saying that done right, deep squats can be beneficial, the key being "done right".  If you can afford to try out the cross fit gym--go for it!  Not only do they have trainers available to help assist you, but at a crossfit gym or even at an LA Fitness, if you look for the people who obviously know what they are doing, you can have them watch your squats to be sure you are doing them right.  Also, if it hurts, it's probably not good :)  I stick primarily to free weights in a regular old gym and have found so many resources in my fellow gym goers.  If I could afford a personal trainer, I'd be all over that, but... alas, I am cannot :)

 

Whatever you decide, have fun!

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Whatever you decide, have fun!

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post #45 of 46
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ATG is used both to sound cool, and to make clear you're talking about a high bar, low as you can go, squat, when talking about deep or full squats. 

 

Can't make the video links work for me.  When I hear you talking about someone "bailing" from a squat, if it resembles any of the "bails" I put up earlier, you again are talking about roughly a 100% chance of severe injury at some point, to the lifter or to someone nearby, from "bailing." 


I would tend to agree.  ATG is a bit of a show-off term.  People talk about it but don't actually do it.

 

As far as bailing, it is standard practice at my box to not use a spotter unless there is an extreme situation.  We always use a spotter, 2 actually, when doing squats with bands and chains.  We don't just get under a heavy weight and bail... obviously.  We work up to a lift that fails.

 

When you viewed the people in the gym who seemed to be milling about, as long as they kept some distance it seemed fine to me.  I am always worried about plates being left on the floor which could cause an irregular bounce.  I have seen people get hurt from situations like that.  Crossfit, at least out box, tends to see and hear dropped weight more that globo-gyms.  That can be an accident waiting to happen if not handled properly.

post #46 of 46

Try going in here:  http://crossfit.com/  then go to November 15 (scroll down 4 or 5).  You will see 2 options for viewing.  It's under Active Performance which is a Crossfit box.

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