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post #1 of 18
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Someone posted [ name presently withheld ] that some skiers looked like Graduates from Michigan State, but should get honorary degrees from Univesity of Michigan due to what appeared to be a better "form" of skiing.

The implication was that their level of skiing was worthy of a degree from U of M while a lesser skier would be in the MSU catagory.

I must take offense at this type of comparison.

I have one son that has graduated from MSU and another who will be a Junior next semester.

The older son is 6'5" tall and has a 36" inseam, is very athletic[ played soccer and ran hurdles in HS, and competed in interfraternity sports in college ] and weighs 195 lbs. You can imagine the leverage he brings to a turn. My current MSU student is 6'6" tall, weighs about 225 lbs, and also is very athletic
[played football and basketball in HS] and also has a 36" inseam.


Frankly, they kick some serious butt on the hills here in Michgan. Two years ago I took the younger son to Snowbird, and he skied eveything but chutes where he would have to make any serious jumps to get into [ My doing...too close to graduation for those types of chances.]

When in Aspen 4 years ago, I watched from the Gondola as they skied together taking care of Little Nell in about 4 or 5 turns [ yes... they were chastised later by me for going too fast down that slope,] and they completely dominated all but the off piste at Aspen Highlands the day we skied there.

Ok ...I admit it....I am bragging...but using a school's reputation as a means of measuring skiing accomplshments really has nothing to do with making a proper judgement of how well you ski. If so..does that mean that Bode Miller could be a graduate of either Harvard or Yale ? I don't think so !!

So bottom line...MSU students on the slopes.... also rock !!!!

[ May 10, 2003, 03:09 PM: Message edited by: wink ]
post #2 of 18
Besides that, would any Michigan school be that great of a school to get a ski diploma at? Not too many mountains in Michigan.
post #3 of 18
Sorry, the banter between Alta Skier and myself is nothing more that a personal feud that can only be settled through some very long nights at the bar after some long days of skiing. You are more than welcome to join us at either (most likely in Utah) but be warned that they think any chute or couloir with SOME snow between SOME of the rocks is worth skiing. Unfortunately, as Alta Skier and his fine roommate consistently remind me of the burden I carry with my University of Michigan association, I can only assume that the foundation for this propensity for skiing over rocks was formed during their formidable years of education at MSU.

Be sure not to let their arguments about the relative "social" merits of the educational experience at these 2 institutions distract you. There is clearly something lacking from their education from MSU that has resulted in these behaviors. Trouble is, I have followed them down a few of these "rocky roads" but in my case I don't blame it on my institution - perhaps rapidly approaching senility?

[ May 10, 2003, 07:38 PM: Message edited by: Si ]
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I heard the best skiers produced in MI went to Michigan Tech and learned skiing on MTU's steep and narly Mt Ripley. [img]graemlins/evilgrin.gif[/img]
post #5 of 18
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Acrchmeister, not only has the UP Michigan produced some great skiers, but some great collegiate hockey teams as well.

Si..Ok I understand the old UofM-MSU rivalary. I understand that very well. Actually, a distant cousin of mine was the first member of my rather extended family to attend any institution of higher learning. It was during the Roaring 20's, he was quite spoiled my great uncle, he went fraturnity, had a Stutz Bear Cat wore a Racoon coat, that had the appropraite pocket for a flask of illegal whiskey in order to keep warm at the football games.It was during that early 20th Century era called the Roaring 20's. he was a student at UofM. Not sure if he ever graduated, but he was a colorful fellow to say the least. But we have also had many attend MSU. If you want to get into UofM post undergraduate degree, it is much easier being a MSU undergrad than a UofM undergrad.

Frankly, the undergraduate schools are pretty close. UofM's outstanding reputation is really based on its graduate programs including medicine, business, and law.

Frankly, both are great schools. It is now getting very difficult to get into both MSU and UofM. Two years ago, MSU had over 20,000 applications for about 5200 freshman positions. GPA minimum 3.25. UofM GPA minimum 3.5. they are getting closer in difficulty.

I do admit that UofM's fight song is superior ! But nothing outshines "Sparty," MSU's mascott.

You can view "Sparty" at: www.msu.edu

You will have to surf the sight to find him, but he is there !

[ May 11, 2003, 02:39 PM: Message edited by: wink ]
post #6 of 18
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I heard the best skiers produced in MI went to Michigan Tech and learned skiing on MTU's steep and narly Mt Ripley.
I'll second that. MTU "78" grad.
post #7 of 18
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Originally posted by Arcmeister:
I heard the best skiers produced in MI went to Michigan Tech and learned skiing on MTU's steep and narly Mt Ripley. [img]graemlins/evilgrin.gif[/img]
OK Arc, what's a guy from Wisconsin doing stepping into this fray? Might you think that since the UP should belong to Wisconsin you now have extended that into thinking you have a right to step into this Michigan/lower peninsula based feud??

And another thing, being the nice guy I am I have never got into the MSU vs. UM thing until I met Alta Skier. It was he who tossed the first stone (or was it a snowball?) then the second, third, fourth, etc. I'm not even sure if I would have responded had I not skied with him and observed first hand what the MSU environment had done to his judgement! Now, you might want to blame it on Alta Skier's personal character, but alas his roommate displayed many of the same characteristics so naturally I could only surmise that their undergraduate MSU education was the cause.

I'm sure that Alta Skier will have something to say about this but I wouldn't believe a word he says.
post #8 of 18
Thread Starter 
Hey Si,
The MSU/UofM thing has been going on or years. If we all understand that sporting events and sports are a substitue for war and for physical confrontation, then we understand about rivalaries.

I agree, it is over blown and out of proportion.Sometimes it is done tongue in cheek and in jest. Other times, it is taken to seriously.
post #9 of 18
SI,
I couldn't help it. I learned to ski on Mt Riply while pretending to be in college at MTU for two seasons in the sixties. When I was there Tech racers dominated the NCAA midwest collegate ski racing circuit, which included Northern, Mich State and U. of Mich as well as other Big Ten schools.
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post #10 of 18
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Originally posted by wink:
Hey Si,
The MSU/UofM thing has been going on or years. If we all understand that sporting events and sports are a substitue for war and for physical confrontation, then we understand about rivalaries.

I agree, it is over blown and out of proportion.Sometimes it is done tongue in cheek and in jest. Other times, it is taken to seriously.
Edited in a rare moment of discretion.

Wink, you've got to stop setting things up like that and making it so tempting!

[ May 11, 2003, 09:24 PM: Message edited by: Si ]
post #11 of 18
Am I reading this right? My god, it is actually up there… This is almost too easy. (Mary warned me about this at Snowbird yesterday)

Wink, Si and I have met and skied together quite a few times. He is a U of M professor, while I am just a wee graduate of Michigan State, as is my roommate. I made the decision to move out here to Utah after college to ski, and to a lesser extent, work. MSU grads tend to enjoy life, while U of M grads tend to sit in their offices. Sorry, low blow…

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Originally posted by wink:
The older son is 6'5" tall and has a 36" inseam, is very athletic[ played soccer and ran hurdles in HS, and competed in interfraternity sports in college ] and weighs 195 lbs. You can imagine the leverage he brings to a turn. My current MSU student is 6'6" tall, weighs about 225 lbs, and also is very athletic
[played football and basketball in HS] and also has a 36" inseam.
wink! Tall kids you have there. But seriously, even though somebody with long legs may be able to get more leverage on a ski, I doubt that it makes them a better skier. Fredo, my roommate is 5’5”, and tends to rip. I taylor to the left, to bad, I coulda been a great skier!

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Originally posted by Si:
Sorry, the banter between Alta Skier and myself is nothing more that a personal feud that can only be settled through some very long nights at the bar after some long days of skiing.
You are so going down. My MSU educated liver can hang with the best of them. Ok, not necessary proud of that, but… Loser picks up the tab.

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Originally posted by Si:
in my case I don't blame it on my institution - perhaps rapidly approaching senility?
You said it, not me, I would have blamed your institution (to be nice). [img]graemlins/angel.gif[/img]

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Originally posted by wink:
If you want to get into UofM post undergraduate degree, it is much easier being a MSU undergrad than a UofM undergrad.
No way! Do you have any idea how hard it is to study when there are a bunch of really attractive co-eds walking around in shorts and bikini tops? Then go to Ann Arbor and look at those chicks, minds well head to the library and study. Actually, both schools have very good undergrad degrees, mine is considered tops in the world.

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Originally posted by Si:
And another thing, being the nice guy I am I have never got into the MSU vs. UM thing until I met Alta Skier. It was he who tossed the first stone (or was it a snowball?) then the second, third, fourth, etc. I'm not even sure if I would have responded had I not skied with him and observed first hand what the MSU environment had done to his judgement!
Si, I’m not sure it was I who fired the first shot. But does it really matter? When I win the war, you will still be tried as a war criminal.

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Originally posted by Si:
I'm sure that Alta Skier will have something to say about this but I wouldn't believe a word he says.
Si rips! Pocket Rockets are cool!

Both schools are great places to get an education. My choice in schools has nothing to do with my skiing ability. As show above, and a lot lately, people take this board too seriously. Its for fun, skiing is fun. Just enjoy.

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post #12 of 18
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Originally posted by AltaSkier:
Am I reading this right? My god, it is actually up there… This is almost too easy. (Mary warned me about this at Snowbird yesterday)

Si rips! Pocket Rockets are cool!

Both schools are great places to get an education. My choice in schools has nothing to do with my skiing ability. As show above, and a lot lately, people take this board too seriously. Its for fun, skiing is fun. Just enjoy.

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Ok as I reply - a short guy sitting at his desk - I've got to say that I am shocked that Alta Skier has thrown in the towel so easily. Ok, he's a nice enough guy that he wants to make an old short gut happy by telling him he "rips." But to give up his crusade against Pocket Rockets? Also, saying something nice about UM is a bit beyond expectation as well. Looks like a few more beers are in order to rev the feud back up sometime!

Well I had dreams of turning this thread into a long one with lots of insults, guess it just ain't going to happen. However, if anyone wants to bring up other University feuds (or otherwise) get your own thread.

BTW, say hi to Mary for me!
post #13 of 18
See how you U of M fools learn how to twist words around to make yourself sound important? Jeeze...

And wink, our fight song means something, theirs is just something to teach the Eastern Michigan grads English.
post #14 of 18
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OK Arc, what's a guy from Wisconsin doing stepping into this fray? Might you think that since the UP should belong to Wisconsin you now have extended that into thinking you have a right to step into this Michigan/lower peninsula based feud??
Now Si if you know anything about the UP you will know that this is an absolute insult. To even suggest that anyone would think that the UP should belong to Visconsin is unthinkable in the UP.

Ask any yooper you meet and they hate Visconsin and will tell you that they are also sick and tired of supporting the South East Michigan area with their taxes. Sucession is still on their minds to become the 51's state of Superior. In my opinion, the state of shock but none the less that is their thinking.
post #15 of 18
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Originally posted by Pierre:
Now Si if you know anything about the UP you will know that this is an absolute insult. To even suggest that anyone would think that the UP should belong to Visconsin is unthinkable in the UP.

Ask any yooper you meet and they hate Visconsin and will tell you that they are also sick and tired of supporting the South East Michigan area with their taxes. Sucession is still on their minds to become the 51's state of Superior. In my opinion, the state of shock but none the less that is their thinking.
You are correct this was supposed to be an insult [img]graemlins/evilgrin.gif[/img] There have always been those in Wisconsin who wanted to lay claim to the UP. That doesn't mean anyone in the UP wants to be part of Wisconsin or the Lower Peninsula. Of course knowing Arc like I do, I am sure he's one of the Wisconsin conspirators who are looking to grab the most reasonable (note - I didn't say reasonable) ski hills around. But of course, with the wide fame of this Epic Ski forum, I am sure the word is now out and the defenses against the invasion are set. I hope they don't blow the Mackinaw Bridge just because of a silly thread here on Epic :
post #16 of 18
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Originally posted by Si:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by AltaSkier:
Si rips! Pocket Rockets are cool!
Ok as I reply - a short guy sitting at his desk - I've got to say that I am shocked that Alta Skier has thrown in the towel so easily. Ok, he's a nice enough guy that he wants to make an old short gut happy by telling him he "rips." But to give up his crusade against Pocket Rockets? </font>[/quote]Si,
I believe Alta has been hanging around with me too long.
Saying someone "rips", or they "let rip", is a way of saying they pass excessive amounts of wind from their anus.
This would explain the next phrase, as it is part of a common phrase over here: "about as cool as a cow's fart on a hot summer day".
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe he has insulted you, and you've taken it as a compliment.

S

P.S. Some people claim to be educated at the University of Life, well I failed the entrance exam.
post #17 of 18
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Originally posted by Wear the fox hat:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Si:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by AltaSkier:
Si rips! Pocket Rockets are cool!
Ok as I reply - a short guy sitting at his desk - I've got to say that I am shocked that Alta Skier has thrown in the towel so easily. Ok, he's a nice enough guy that he wants to make an old short gut happy by telling him he "rips." But to give up his crusade against Pocket Rockets? </font>[/quote]Si,
I believe Alta has been hanging around with me too long.
Saying someone "rips", or they "let rip", is a way of saying they pass excessive amounts of wind from their anus.
This would explain the next phrase, as it is part of a common phrase over here: "about as cool as a cow's fart on a hot summer day".
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe he has insulted you, and you've taken it as a compliment.

S

P.S. Some people claim to be educated at the University of Life, well I failed the entrance exam.
</font>[/quote]Thanks Fox : . I was really worried about Alta there for a while but now I realize he has just taken on a strange foreign sense of humor. I'm sure it is your influence as no red-blooded American would ever develop such a sense of humor on their own - even if they did go to MSU!

At this point I should probably be worrying more about the consequences of Alta's and Fred's influence on you. Anyone over there commenting about new strange behaviors or points of view they see in you?

For now I'm just going back to sit at my desk all day, think on cutting back on the frijoles, and try the phone book as a seat booster in an attempt to feel (bigger and) better now that I realize that I "rip" in the wrong way.
post #18 of 18
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Originally posted by Si:
At this point I should probably be worrying more about the consequences of Alta's and Fred's influence on you. Anyone over there commenting about new strange behaviors or points of view they see in you?
You mean apart from when I order a half pint of beer, then p!ss in it, and top it up with water to the pint mark then call it Wasaach 2002?



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