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post #1 of 24
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last day of the year here in western Pa. Really been working on some bump stuff lately and hope it is starting to show.

 

My 'goal" was to ski a more rounded WC style.  Speed will come eventually as soon as my balance gets better and my legs can move faster.

 

so have at it.

 

post #2 of 24

Good skiing.  Even though we have a mountain about 50 times the size of yours, what I wouldn't give to have a bump run like that! 

post #3 of 24

Looks nice BPA - something for me to aspire to. Looks really easy to do as you come to the camera, but then as you go past and we get your downhill view it's a lot scarier!!

 

Apologies for asking a question I already asked on another thread, but in the video below this guy suggests taking air on bumps - is that because the bumps he's on are a lot smaller than yours?

 

post #4 of 24

Ya, so who's the chick waiting at the bottom for ya?

post #5 of 24
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Looks nice BPA - something for me to aspire to. Looks really easy to do as you come to the camera, but then as you go past and we get your downhill view it's a lot scarier!!

 

Apologies for asking a question I already asked on another thread, but in the video below this guy suggests taking air on bumps - is that because the bumps he's on are a lot smaller than yours?

 

 

its because there is million different way of skiing bumps, and extentsion can work in rough snow that has limited bumps(not zipperline bumps). Its is highly likely if was skiing where he was skiing I would be using mostly crossunder(retraction like in my video) but would though a couple leapers to 'double' the bumps. The bumps he is skiing are more round and less trough than what I was skiing. Bumps like this are common out west off trail. In the bumps I was skiing I would argue that to do the lines I did smoothly there was only one way of transitioning which would be crossunder.

 

Lars that my ski buddy elise. shes just learning how to ski off the groomed and this was her second day skiing bumps! She did much better at Holimont last thursday under greer chair because the bumps where much less troughed than these.

post #6 of 24

You were here and didn't call me? I'm hurt.

 

Actually, you should have gone to holiday. The bumps there are unreal right now. The Chute is as good as it's ever been and your friend would love the bumps on morningstar. It's a great pitch for learning moguls. A little steeper than the moguls in front of  the lodge at Holimont but softer cause they face right into the sun.

 

Pretty good skiing in the video btw. Gnarly bumps. Were you holding your pole plants that long for a reason?

post #7 of 24
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You were here and didn't call me? I'm hurt.

 

Actually, you should have gone to holiday. The bumps there are unreal right now. The Chute is as good as it's ever been and your friend would love the bumps on morningstar. It's a great pitch for learning moguls. A little steeper than the moguls in front of  the lodge at Holimont but softer cause they face right into the sun.

 

Pretty good skiing in the video btw. Gnarly bumps. Were you holding your pole plants that long for a reason?

 

sorry last minute descion to go to holimont and it was kinda of a "me and her" day, so yeah sorry about that. the only reason we went was how much better the coverage was there, also they are cheaper than holiday valley for us instructor types...there is a chance we might end up there(holiday valley) in a couple weeks again I think Ill contact you then if this happens.

 

no I wasnt, then in slow mo its looks like I held them very long

post #8 of 24

Looks like a double fall line there wasn't it?

 

Uneven bumps, oddly spaced, double fall line, ice in between,

 

You made it look easier than it really was. Nice

post #9 of 24

 

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its because there is million different way of skiing bumps, and extentsion can work in rough snow that has limited bumps(not zipperline bumps). Its is highly likely if was skiing where he was skiing I would be using mostly crossunder(retraction like in my video) but would though a couple leapers to 'double' the bumps. The bumps he is skiing are more round and less trough than what I was skiing. Bumps like this are common out west off trail. In the bumps I was skiing I would argue that to do the lines I did smoothly there was only one way of transitioning which would be crossunder.

 

Lars that my ski buddy elise. shes just learning how to ski off the groomed and this was her second day skiing bumps! She did much better at Holimont last thursday under greer chair because the bumps where much less troughed than these.

 

Thanks Bushwacker

Is crossunder the term that describes your lower bodychanging direction as you absorb? So that as you bring your knees up, you also slide your hips across and turn your ankles?

post #10 of 24
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Thanks Bushwacker

Is crossunder the term that describes your lower bodychanging direction as you absorb? So that as you bring your knees up, you also slide your hips across and turn your ankles?

 

that is pretty much correct. Crossunder means the legs and skis are crossing under my body instead of the body 'crossingover' the skis.

 

In bumps think of it as letting your skis come up as you flex your hips,knees, and ankles as equal as humanly possible. as your skis are coming up they are actually unweighted and your body is moving diagonally into your new turn. The turning motion is just not the ankles, its the entire leg from the femur down. Ie the femur turns with in the hip socket. IMO the best fallline bump skiers do not 'waist steer' at all. Alot of people in the PSIA or CSIA do this because its what they are taught on groomers but doesnt transfer over to bumps as well as they like to think.

 

I saw some Seven Spring examiners and Level 2 ,3 skiing those bumps and IMHO they were held back by what they thought they should be doing, instead of opening there mind and realizing a modified WC 

technique is actually easier on the legs than being straight legged and extending.

post #11 of 24

What do you call waist steering?  I'm curious as I'm CSIA and don't know this term.  Typically a level one will have some hip rotation, a level 2 CSIA should steer from the femur (cross under) and have good separation in all snow with the hips not ratating or be clearly on the way to this and dynamics showing.  Waist steering sounds like turning at the waist?   Also, I have not been on a course in some time, have they started to introduce this some time since 2004, or am I mis understanding what you call waist steering?

 

CSIA doesn't really specialize in bumps at all though.  We have the CFSA (freestyle association), which really does the bumps.  BTW, your bump skiing looks nice, smooth and that looks like an awesome bump run, wish I was there!

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CSIA doesn't really specialize in bumps at all though.  We have the CFSA (freestyle association), which really does the bumps.  BTW, your bump skiing looks nice, smooth and that looks like an awesome bump run, wish I was there!


 

CSIA introduces bumps now at L2, and CSIA 3 still requires good bump proficiency, which the CFSA folks would rate as close to their L2 bump requirements.

post #13 of 24

Those were probably the deepest bumps I've ever skied, and the bumps where I ski are notorious for getting deep.  Josh ripped 'em up.  From an aesthetic standpoint, and I am very much nitpicking, I think you could do a little more with your extension down the backside of the bump.  Have you ever seen a bump skier who's skis really look like a snake slithering through the bumps?  That is someone that is absolutely on it in terms of extension because there isn't really a time when their skis aren't on the snow and turning.  Maybe next time focus on slamming the skis back down the bump after the crest.  I wouldn't say ski like this all the time, just get a feel for it and adjust it to make it work for normal bump skiing.

post #14 of 24

 I didn't have the speakers connected the first time I looked at your video. My only thought was that you should keep your hands in front of you, don't ski past your hands, otherwise everything looked pretty good. After hearing the crunchy soundtrack and reading Suck's description of the deep ruts, I have a greater appreciation for your skiing here. The bumps at Seven Springs are usually too much for me, but they look easy here because 1) camera flattens the hill, 2) I can't see the ice, 3) You make it look easy. 

 

Seriuously though, best bumpers hands position relative to body doesn't change so much. Keep hands out front and still. You'll ski better.

post #15 of 24

BPA,

 

Really nice skiing here.  I think the comments and feedback are fair...but you are a good bump skier.  I can tell how carved out those troughs are and you look very comfortable and confident.  I also think your pacing is quite nice...same speed all the way through.  I can definitely learn from you.  Nice work!

post #16 of 24

Looks awful good to me. I tried skiing those same bumps a week before when they were all frozen up on Sat. morning and I couldn't believe how big and troughy they had become.

 

Skied them like s__. and went home early after clearing my locker out for the season. Was psyched I was heading for Utah the following Thursday which during my time there served up the same frozen conditions!

 

I really enjoyes the video you took at The Springs this year and shared with us. Just reinforces that even a skier of your ability can continue to advance and work on things on a short hill that sometimes (often times) serves up some pretty marginal conditions. God I hate frozen granular! But props to the Springs I think they try and deliver the best conditions possible under the weathwr conditions that prevail.

post #17 of 24

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh4OlRf1P8U

 

First and second skiers are two of the bests in Whistler. In my opnion bumps shoud be skied with steering at speed. To answer the CSIA question, the CSIA focus on skiing with efficiency on all terrain. We don't encourage skiing WC style as it doesn't show much skiing performance.

 

Anyways enjoy the video.

 

Sorry for my poor written english.

 

 

post #18 of 24
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 In my opnion bumps shoud be skied with steering at speed. To answer the CSIA question, the CSIA focus on skiing with efficiency on all terrain. We don't encourage skiing WC style as it doesn't show much skiing performance.

 


 

 

 

first sentence not sure what that means...

 

second sentence I totally agree with

 

third sentence - doesnt show much 'skiing performance". WTF are you talking about? honestly there are more than one way to do something. PSIA and CSIA doesnt like WC tech because they think they CANT do it. The irony is they probably could do it. WC tech doesnt mean pivots in the air as you jsut bang mindlessly off bump IMO although thats what the major north american instructor organization think it is. watch pat d. thats my model I want to be like in bumps.

 

The irony that I am going to post on the mogul forum why they are hated on TGR on epic next.

 

basically what I am saying is the fact both(well 3 sides or how ever many side including SVMM) wont accept that anything from the other side is right is just plain childish and pigeon holes skier into 'one' way of doing something then there are many. The best skier/coaches can see though the BS and realize the merits and downfalls of each way and ski/coach accordingly.

post #19 of 24

I was expecting this kind of reaction.

 

You have to take it easy dude. Skiing is not that serious.

 

Don't encourage doesn't mean hating nor not agreeing. Basically, I would say that is a free country and you ski like you want. Your entitled to your opnion.

 

 

post #20 of 24

Looks like the HH way of  skiing moguls. Which isn't bad.

 

I can ski bumps that way and I know Josh can cause I've skied bumps with him. But, i'd prefer to ski them differently and more like WC style.

 

i think that's what BWPA is saying and I think any inspiring mogul skier would emulate the WC style and form, if they could.

 

You sure the guy in the blue isn't harald Harb?

post #21 of 24

Nice skiing Josh.  7 springs looks small but very fun.  I would suggest trying to keep the pole plants a bit more out front.  It looks as though you plant in front and leave the poles in a bit long and your arms go wide.  I don't think this is a problem, but you might be a tighter package if the arms didn't get so wide.  It also looks as though you are "collapsing" at the waist a bit more than is optimal.  Try and keep your upper body a bit more upright and absorb more with the lower body.  

 

post #22 of 24


 

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To answer the CSIA question, the CSIA focus on skiing with efficiency on all terrain. We don't encourage skiing WC style as it doesn't show much skiing performance.

 
 

 

A CSIA Level 3 skier who is strong in the bumps (in terms of the CSIA standard) would find that he/she would have all the right mechanics in place to pick up the technical & tactical adaptations for more competitive bump skiing, e.g. what would be coached in CFSA L1/L2.

 

Ripping the zipperline is not that uncommon (and certainly not frowned upon) in the CSIA environment, but on your exams, you are expected to demonstrate more relaxed examples as well.

post #23 of 24

Nice skiing Josh, really like the way your skis are in contact with the snow , its nice to have joints that flex and bends well huh? I think the comments from others on hand positioning are right on, my comment would be maybe to get shorter poles or cut about 1-2" off those poles. They seem to be long and that length could be pushing your arms/hands back on the touch.

post #24 of 24

BWPA, do you think you had the best skis for the bumps that day? If not, what would have been different? Also, do you think you succeeded well at making the turns rounder ala WC style?

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