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Ok  -  got to hang it out there at least once a season.  Hard to get video.


Here is the deal...


Quick footage from our beer league champ race.  We came in 15th of top 30 teams over over 100 teams.  We are good not great.  Format is if you crash you are out.  Top 4 of 6 racers count.  We had a crash and an absence so it was imperative we all stand up.  For that reason I grannied it down a bit.  Too conservative but had to finish.


There is also a short clip at the end of me training with some pals before a regular night league race in a coat.  Just shadowing the course and making some turns.


Like to hear your thoughts.  I am thick skinned.


post #2 of 12

Have you had your alignment checked by a good bootfitter?  You look undercanted to this still-learning eye.  Note the A-frame when you're trying for edge angle.


:28 look back on your heels.


Can you make your lower leg more vertical and see if that improves your stance?  You might lower your heel binding piece, or raise the toe piece, or make the boot cuff more vertical.


Check Kathrin Zettel's stance in frame 2

post #3 of 12

I used to have a boot with excessive forward lean and poor alignment--and I had big problems with A-framing and backseat.  You can't really change the forward lean of a boot--you would need to get a new boot, which I did.  You could try a toe lift.

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Yeesh 84 views and 2 comments about boot canting? 


Good stuff and you are right I could use a meeting with a boot fitter but anybody got anything else?

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Originally Posted by Racer256 View Post


Yeesh 84 views and 2 comments about boot canting? 


Good stuff and you are right I could use a meeting with a boot fitter but anybody got anything else?

I can't believe that nobody pointed out that you missed all the gates in the last run  Looks pretty smooth to me other than that

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Other than the A-frame, you lean into the turn (incline) putting too much on the inside ski and bending at the waist, both signs of not flexing the ankle enough.



post #7 of 12

The gates in the upper portion of the course looked like they were open and easy. I am wondering why you weren't in a tuck and then come out of it when entering the tighter section?



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Thanks for the comeback, Karl.


Up around that corner is a nasty icy pitch.  The sharpies matra for that race is "ski the top - race the bottom."


I hope to have some more vid of the upper pitch in the next few weeks.


Yes I prob should have been in a tuck through that section but three of my team-mates smoked that section and DNFed on the easiest part of the run below having picked up too much speed in the section you see. 


Other lame excuses are: 

1.  That was a blind gate after the road (head for the big pine tree.)

2.  I ran DFL (Dead F-ing Last) of about 125 guys and 55 gals so I saw lots of DNFs and near misses as well as seeing which of my (more talented) team members DNFed.  Messes with your head.

3.  I gotta get up and go to work on Mondays, have two young sons, and I just turned 40 a couple days before the race.  So I am officially washed up and caution has officially replaced balls.


Still love it.  Just not getting any better at it!  Maybe if I had a full face helmet...


post #9 of 12

Hi racer256.  No excuses needed for that skiing.  For an old fart of 40, you're looking pretty good! (Note, I can say that, I'm 53


The first thing I'd suggest you work on is moving forward on your skis more.  Watch the turn in which you go past the camera, you can see the constant aft position.  If you move strongly into the front of the ski for the start of your turns you'll be able to produce a more aggressive turn start and thus be able to tighten your line.  Right now you're just kind of hanging in the back seat waiting for the gate to come to you.  Go get it! 


You can see how this is affecting your line,,, it's rounder than it needs to be.  You're also sometimes starting your turn too early, then having to hang there waiting to engage the arc.  This is slow.  Straighten out your line a bit, wait for the rise line, get into the front of the ski and engage like you mean it.   


You also need to work on shedding the knee anglulation and introducing more hip.  The knee stuff is a weak position, and limits the amount of edge angle you can use.  It also makes you lazy with angulating at the hip.  This lacking angulation at the hip can be seen in both the gates video and the tuck run.  See in your tuck turns how you're loosing outside ski pressure too early at the end of the turn. It's caused by the body tipping into the turn too much, and as a result you're loosing the reverse camber release energy that could be used to rocket you out of the turn. 


Hope some of that helps.

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A little more for grins and giggles.



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I don't see a problem with the boots as much as a lack of range of motion. Granted if the ramp and delta are off it could contribute to the static stance but overall the turns look too posed. Often in an attempt to be more accurate with our movements we take out some range of motion and add too much functional tension. I see both happening here.

  • Allow the inside leg to flex more so the outside ski has enough pressure to maintain edge purchase. (relax the leg more and allow a greater range of motion to happen)
  • Extend the hips more to create a stronger and longer stance upon the outside ski. (increase the range of motion)
  • Increase the upper and lower body seperation and allow a less square to the ski stance to happen. (increase the range of motion)
  • Learn to ski using a much taller and much shorter stance (increase range of motion)



The race course is a very dynamic place. Getting less rigid allows us to handle the additional dynamic demands involved in skiing faster and it facilitates more possible tactical options. Same can be said for using a wider range of motion. Explore both but remember the two ideas are closely related. You simply cannot move through a greater range if you are too rigidly holding yourself in a static position. Your racing will improve dramatically when you loosen up a bit and start moving more.


Edited by justanotherskipro - 4/4/2009 at 03:26 pm
post #12 of 12
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10-4.  Not the first time I have been called a stiff!


I am one of those stocky guys with a hockey butt.  It is hard to push me over but even harder to get me to bend!


I am jealous of those tall skinny dudes who are all shoulders and hips and can create those impossible edge angles by bending 60 degrees at the hip.


Good feedback tho.  That is what I am looking for.  Less reliance on the inside leg is something I am working on.

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