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 I was looking to get the Tools4Boards SuperStation, and wanted to get some opinions on the Xact or Razor edge tuner and what grit diamond stones I should start out with. Thanks for any help.

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Originally Posted by danliny View Post


 I was looking to get the Tools4Boards SuperStation, and wanted to get some opinions on the Xact or Razor edge tuner and what grit diamond stones I should start out with. Thanks for any help.


I would skip the kit, and instead get everything separately.  I would get the iron, the hot and medium temp universal waxes, the plexi scraper, ptex candles, metal scraper, nylon brush, fixed angle 3 degree guide (eg svst), 2-3 degree shims for backfiling, non-chrome bastard file, panzer file, arkansas, 200, and 400 grit stones (600 optional).


I would send my skis to a reputable shop to have the sidewall removed and the edges set initially (.7-1 degree base / 3 degree side).  I would then maintain the tune with the above tools.



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Here's our Razor vs Xact page.


From our Tuning FAQ page:


I'm putting together a tuning kit and am confused with all of the choices for files, diamonds stones and guides. Where do I start and what should I buy?

Determining what capabilities or level of tuning you are after will help decide on tuning or other tools. What level tuner are you and want to be; Leisure/Casual, Performance or Serious?.

If you looked at building a tool kit whether it's files, diamonds guides, brushes, waxes, etc as you looked at building your quiver of skis, you wouldn't necessarily get everything you can to start.


There are simply too many variables to grasp without time and experience, cost and other considerations. As with skis and other gear, you can always buy more and there are various grades or calibers of tools. For the recreational skier and tuner, getting every one of the finest tools may be overkill and an unnecessary expense. But if you appreciate fine tools, and start out purchasing them, it's hard to go back to lessor caliber as you become spoiled.


For the 'all mountain' capabilities for main files & diamonds which you can build on, we suggest:

1) bastard or 2nd cut file-for edge sharpening, beveling and setting edge geometry, coupled with guide. The coarser the file, the faster the cut and filings stream off easier.

2) panzer/body file-for removal of side wall (edge off-set), quick removal of edge when establishing edge geometry or removing excess base material. Also great for plexi scraper sharpening.

3) 200 & 400 grit diamond-for de-burring, maintenance sharpening, finishing and polishing edge

4) aluminum oxide stone-inexpensive 'beater' stone for knocking down case/work hardened edges, de-burring, knife sharpening, misc tasks

5) gummy stone-de-tuning and rust removal

6) base and side edge combination guide-used to secure files, diamonds and stones accurately to set edge geometry (bevel angles) and can be used for maintenance sharpening with diamonds or stones

For starting out and I'd bet for the majority of recreational tuners (and if you'll also need other tools), a Tools4Boards Deluxe Tuning Kit or SuperStation, coupled with a diamond and gummy stone will be more than adequate, can be built upon and is a great value. The 3 in 1 Xact or Razor in our kits are solid and highly versatile. Later, if you decide to purchase more dedicated angle guides, for side and/or base edges, the 3 in 1s will still be a nice tool to keep handy for sidewall planing, scraper sharpening, bevel measuring and as an additional guide. Over time you'll realize that having more than one guide expedites each job, especially when you are maintaining several pairs.

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Originally Posted by dipstik View Post

One of the blog features are shopping lists I created that show and explain to you exactly what you need and why you might need it. There are shopping lists for beginner/starter kits that I think would be better bang for your buck than the kit you linked to.


Gotta call a BS on this statement, especially reading through the limitations and subsequent real costs for the same capabilities of the 'shopping lists' and after telling the OP to 'skip the kits'. Your tuning tips are helpful, but they are commercial and no longer unbiased since you are marketing these products and 'pseudo kits' and are not currently a supporter nor sponsor of EpicSki. I'm sure your 'sponsors' will be happy to pay the supporter fee and offer discounts to EpicSki members and supporters as we have for the past three seasons.


While I don't disagree with that many will eventually wish or need to upgrade to better tools (which of course we carry), the T4B Superstation and others do offer and excellent value and an array of capabilities for the novice to intermediate tuner (edges, base and waxing). A lot of the battle is an initial cash outlay and sensory overload for many and wishing to start easy and learn over time. It gets intimidating and many are simply paralyzed. A standardized kit does open the door for many, from which you can upgrade over time and after gaining some experience. Plus, the case itself and the basic tools will be very useful for a long time.


Best Regards,

Terry (aka Alpinord)



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Edited by Alpinord - 3/21/2009 at 03:31 pm
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Originally Posted by danliny View Post


and wanted to get some opinions on  what grit diamond stones I should start out with.


Start with approximately a 220 grit.    It will let you restore edges and remove hardened spots.  


It won't give you a truly smooth polish, but it will get you most of the way there. 

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